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Try to find even just one female neuroscientist or evolutionary biologist who argues that men and women are not fundamentally different at a biological level and that the different behaviors, the different interests and preferences we are seeing are not largely rooted in biology.

The author of this piece pretends that the opinion of ignorant far-left loonies is somehow the reasonable and intelligent one while the engineer who simply referred to the scientific consensus is the one who is ignorant. No, the SJWs are ignorant, in fact delusional.

The science backing that men and women are fundamentally different, including how their brains work, is much more solid and clear than say the science behind climate change. Not that I deny climate change, or that it is man-made and an existential threat. Those are reasonable assumptions based on the scientific evidence we have.

However, the assumption that men and women only behave differently and make different career choices because of some "evil sexist patriarchy" which is indoctrinating and forcing people into certain gender roles.. that is not a reasonable assumption. It is completely at odds with the state of science.

It is a shame that a company like Google whose business is based so heavily on science and engineering gives in to these crazed post-modernists who are willfully ignorant of all science which contradicts their insane ideology.

Also this has nothing to do with trying to exclude women from IT. Nobody denies that there are women who genuinely enjoy, say, software engineering and are good at it and nobody says they should be disqualified because of their sex. But the truth is that there are far less women than men who are like that, and that this will never change because of biological factors.

Maybe one can increase the number of women in IT a bit more by addressing cultural factors still keeping them out, but you will never see an equal number.

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Please don't violate the guidelines by calling names like this. It's pure inflammation and doesn't the serve the kinds of discussions we're trying to have here.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

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Hi, no one is arguing that men and women are identical, but here is a ref to some research on the topic

https://www.slideshare.net/mobile/slideshow/embed_code/key/3...

See slide 20 and 21 for the citation. Perhaps you feel this is the product of 'an insane ideology', personally I find it more convincing than the huge jumps in your argument and the original one, which jump from the assertion that men and women are different (I think most agree), to there are less women than men in IT, ergo there are far less women who enjoy or are capable of engineering.

In academic studies even tiny variations between genders are interesting, in real life not so much, the gap between genders would have to be very large to matter given the variation in individuals and experience levels.

In case you're not feeling convinced here is a graph which I find hard to square with a biological difference incapacitating women when near technology:

http://www.npr.org/sections/money/2014/10/21/357629765/when-...

Early computing science had a lot of women; a woman helped land men on the moon, but the declined dranaticallly till recently over just a few decades. I find your argument that women just don't like tech for biological reasons unconvincing.

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> But the truth is that there are far less women than men who are like that, and that this will never change because of biological factors.

What about all the women through the 40s up until the 80s who worked as computer programmers? For a while it was a seriously female dominated field. A woman wrote the first compiler. A woman wrote the code to help get us to the moon. A woman taught my CS courses in high school and i had two female CS professors in college (and just about half my graduating class in that major was female).

Did biology change? Where's the science that says women as a whole don't enjoy IT as much? You crow on and on about science but provide no citations, no logical coherent argument.

When I see posts like this on HN, it makes me think you haven't worked closely with women. Or even know any lol

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