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This will get canned on the appeal, guaranteed. The article is a bit misleading because they're not going after him because he's doing aftermarket repairs. They're going after him because he's claiming that the repaired devices are using genuine parts from Apple, which even have the Apple logo on them, yet they weren't purchased from Apple.

This is my biggest complaint with the "Right to Repair" movement. They're constantly conflating what Apple is fighting against (counterfeit parts and being compelled to provide documentation and manuals without oversight) with the valid complaint of users not being legally allowed to repair their own devices. Apple has never been against that and isn't fighting that. They're fighting the fact that these bills, every single one of them, wants to force Apple to provide instructions and parts for repair shops that aren't Apple authorized for which they can't verify or guarantee the quality fo the repair. That's a completely understandable position and yet people keep falsely claiming that it's simply about Apple wanting to keep people from repairing their own stuff. That's not it at all and it's doing a disservice to the "Right to Repair" movement to continue to do so.

πŸ‘€dpkonofaπŸ•‘7yπŸ”Ό0πŸ—¨οΈ0

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It's not that simple. Until literally 3 days ago I held exactly your same view "why don't they just become Apple authorized repair shops?"

Well, apparently Apple actually restricts the repairs you can do. For example, if you have water damage, you aren't allowed to just fix the actual components (capacitors, etc) that blew, you have to replace the whole board, resulting in much higher costs and eWaste for customers. (This is from Louis Rossmann, a well known YouTuber who fixes MacBooks). You are basically restricted to mostly replacing boards and things like that, not fixing individual chips.

For a company that toots their horn about being Green, their policies sure generate a ton more waste than necessary.

And I say this as someone who almost exclusively owns Apple stuff. I am holding out with my 2015 MBP dearly for the next iteration of their laptop keyboards that don't require a $500 repair because of a spec of dust.

All this has made me a STRONG proponent of the right-to-repair movement. If Apple actually cared more about less flashy and sexy parts about being green, they'd make these parts readily available.

πŸ‘€atonseπŸ•‘7yπŸ”Ό0πŸ—¨οΈ0

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Where do you see any indication that this man was claiming to use genuine Apple components? I see nothing of the sort on his website[1]. The article specifically says that he made no claims of being authorized by Apple or using genuine Apple components and the court agreed with him. There was an Apple logo, on an internal component, which was covered up, because (at least according to the seller) they actually are Apple parts that had been refurbished. Now maybe they actually are counterfeit parts and the seller was lying, but there is zero evidence of this and the repairman certainly wasn't intentionally selling counterfeits or lying about anything.

[1] https://www.pckompaniet.no/reparasjon-iphone/

πŸ‘€openclπŸ•‘7yπŸ”Ό0πŸ—¨οΈ0

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But the article states quite clearly that he is NOT claiming to use genuine parts.

β€œPCKompaniet has never removed the coverup of the Apple logo on the screens that have been imported and has no interest in doing so. PCKompaniet does not pretend or market itself as Apple authorized and does not give any indication that the repair comes with an Apple warranty.”

Unless you have evidence of the contrary, your argument is not applicable to this case.

πŸ‘€hhwπŸ•‘7yπŸ”Ό0πŸ—¨οΈ0

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How can you or other 3rd parties repair devices if Apple won't sell parts or provide manuals and it sues people who claim to be able to do such things on your behalf? I think it is fair that apple withhold an "apple certified" designation but everything else beyond that is them trying to squash 3rd party repairs so that they can maintain a monopoly on that work, prevent you from upgrading memory, etc and ultimately keep you on the upgrade treadmill. You really don't think that is the case?
πŸ‘€eagsalazar2πŸ•‘7yπŸ”Ό0πŸ—¨οΈ0

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> the valid complaint of users not being legally allowed to repair their own devices. Apple has never been against that and isn't fighting that.

Hmm, what? Apple is actively fighting that by making devices incredibly difficult to tear appart, not selling replacement parts, and, yes, suing every mom-and-pop repair shop.

πŸ‘€bambaxπŸ•‘7yπŸ”Ό0πŸ—¨οΈ0

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Well, heres hoping it doesn't get canned.

>This is my biggest complaint with the "Right to Repair" movement. They're constantly conflating what Apple is fighting against (counterfeit parts and being compelled to provide documentation and manuals without oversight) with the valid complaint of users not being legally allowed to repair their own devices

Your complaint seems rather imagined to me. Where are they "constantly conflating"? I don't see that here.

https://repair.org/

πŸ‘€kskπŸ•‘7yπŸ”Ό0πŸ—¨οΈ0

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> They're constantly conflating what Apple is fighting against (counterfeit parts and being compelled to provide documentation and manuals without oversight) with the valid complaint of users not being legally allowed to repair their own devices. Apple has never been against that and isn't fighting that.

Apple is setting up an environment where counterfeiting is practically necessary by hindering legitimate repairs using non counterfeit non genuine parts.

Apple doesn't allow those who aren't Authorized Repair Centers to purchase genuine replacement parts or to have access to service manuals. I'm not aware of another OEM that does this. I can go to HP, Dell, Samsung, MSI, Acer, or LG and purchase genuine parts or download service manuals. Apple posts service manuals online but they go out of their way to lock them behind a login so that only Authorized users can see them.

Apple has bricked iPhones during iOS upgrades if those devices weren't using genuine Apple displays.

Apple has bricked iPhones during iOS upgrades if you replaced the touch ID, regardless of whether it was a genuine part or not.

The iPhone X camera module is a separate part form the display yet if you replace the display genuine or not while keeping the original camera module, it stops working for facial authentication.

Apple disabled the ability to adjust the brightness of your Macbook's display if it wasn't genuine. Hey maybe it doesn't want to damage non genuine displays... so what's the difference between a genuine and non genuine part? The EEID that Apple programs into them. A counterfeit display in this case is simply one that was purchase from Apple's supplier, LG, and programmed with Apple's EEID not by Apple.

πŸ‘€cptskippyπŸ•‘7yπŸ”Ό0πŸ—¨οΈ0

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> the court decision states. β€œPCKompaniet has never removed the coverup of the Apple logo on the screens that have been imported and has no interest in doing so. PCKompaniet does not pretend or market itself as Apple authorized and does not give any indication that the repair comes with an Apple warranty.”

You are incorrect. The Apple logos were covered up and the court findings state that they were never uncovered. I didn't see anywhere in this article where they say the owner was making claims about using genuine Apple parts.

But I do agree, it seems the right to repair stuff is not great. Repair whatever you want but don't force Apple to help you.

πŸ‘€wuliwongπŸ•‘7yπŸ”Ό0πŸ—¨οΈ0

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Where do you get the idea that Apple or anyone else for that matter can dictate the after market service level?

The appropriate move is that everybody on the market to deliver the schematics of the device to the purchaser, not to the service shops. And while we're at it (since as you said, Apple is not fighting the right to repair) provide also the complete source code with all the private keys they use to brick repaired devices into oblivion.

You might want to reconsider your position on defending idiotic corporate behavior against individuals.

πŸ‘€crististmπŸ•‘7yπŸ”Ό0πŸ—¨οΈ0

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The article flatly contradicts your claims.
πŸ‘€barrkelπŸ•‘7yπŸ”Ό0πŸ—¨οΈ0

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From the article (which I wrote, happy to answer questions) ... this is quoted in the court decision i.e., was written by a judge not by the defendant:

"PCKompaniet does not pretend or market itself as Apple authorized and does not give any indication that the repair comes with an Apple warranty.”"

πŸ‘€jkoeblerπŸ•‘7yπŸ”Ό0πŸ—¨οΈ0