I’m kind of surprised by the response here. For one thing this helps European telecoms suppliers. On top of this there is this weird expectation that the way things have been is good and should continue. I don’t see this justified. Huawei exists in large part because of the history of the US opening it’s markets to China which helped the Chinese economy grow immensely (not to mention copying Cisco).

I’m not going to defend the US on everything but it has its own interests and nobody should be surprised over the coming decades if it starts closing off its market and withdrawing its guarantees on securing other countries trade.

Europe has had a lot of time to grow up and should at this point realize this probable future and decide what such a future means for it, and decide how it wants to present itself in such a world.

For mobile telecom equipment: 1 Huawei 2 Ericsson 3 Nokia

How helping out 2 of the largest actually competitive companies in EU to gain more market share in US threatens EU security is beyond me

There's a part of USA culture that thrives on cold-war-style paranoia. It's in conflict with another part of our culture that thrives on openness and cooperation.

The paranoid part of our culture is in ascendance in these decades (partly due to the success of malicious state actors exploiting our openness and cooperation.)

This has been a back-and-forth struggle for much of the USA's history. It's never static. This balance will continue to change in future.

In the meantime, of course, it's helpful to their careers for politicians to stir up fear of ghoulies and ghosties and long-legged beasties and things that go bump in the night.

> China itself could, of course, also impose bans on American producers and products. A stand-still would possibly bring peace again.

I think we are missing something here. China is already banning western services. No mainland Chinese person is using Google directly. No Outlook, Gmail, Facebook, Skype, AppStore, Google Play, etc. I don't think they can ban USA services even more.

China can only ban exporting to USA, but it's like cutting off your own legs to make a point. In a certain sense, China is losing the game they started a long time ago.

While Europe... Well, we are a total disaster in the IT sector anyway. Nobody gives a damn about the EU.

Realistically, the best bet for Europe is to play the part of the USA in the lead-up to WW1. By remaining unaligned with either the axis or the allies until the war was essentially decided, they came out of the conflict as the sole winners.

Unfortunately, I expect that the EU will stick with the US, and get dragged into whatever that entails. I hope that the world has changed enough that total war between incumbent and upstart great powers isn't possible - but I don't really see any clear reasons why it shouldn't happen.

What I hope is that China is aware of the parallels between their situation and the situation of pre-WW1 Germany, or pre-WW2 Japan, and goes a different route. If they simply wait, focus on soft power, and ignore all provocations, they'll no doubt end up taking the USA's place.

I find it amusing that the US is accusing Huawei of doing to the US for China exactly what Xerox did to the USSR for the US.

The good news is that Huawei already sucked at making security updates and even claimed to have updated, but hadn't, so it's no huge loss. https://www.wired.com/story/android-phones-hide-missed-secur...

In terms of the monster I want living in my attic, I won't swap the US for China any day soon.

Let's hope this mess brings us at least a stronger FOSS mobile ecosystem...

Good luck hearing anything from EU.

EU should get permission from US to buy gas & energy or who to deal and business with, such a joke!

I'm not sure I agree on the last part re: LineageOS et al. They've not failed, they don't gain traction as it's more difficult to install them (in the case of aftermarket firmwares) due to having to gain root. For Purism or hardware+os combos, then they've not got the same market share or share of mindset. If a big player made a (truely) open Android, I'm sure there would be people all over it. If they went down this path, it may actually open up the Android ecosystem. (then again, the hardware still probably wouldn't be completely open)

i do not know what the espionage evidence was. it must have been a lot to throw a lot of european consumers under the bus like this. definitely an issue for diplomats, but it could in the long run lead to more competition on the software markets, with neutral play store clones gaining a foothold.

Don't tell me there is also a single country that controls the global (oil-trading) currency?

I don't disagree, but I think the perspective is a bit weird. Especially this part:

>But the fact that the market power of the Americans has such a big influence is our own fault. European governments have failed to create framework conditions to create competition here as well. If you know which parties in Europe are in charge, it is not surprising.

Europeans have been specifically willing to let the US and China dominate these markets. Most of Europe literally relies on the US for their security with NATO. Many of our companies have been sold to China, or are manufacturing in China. Of course we can't have our cake an eat it too. (Unless it is something like this that you meant).

Yes, EU kind of 'outsourced' large part of technical platforms to US much like what happened to NATO (many european countries don't have real military forces to speak of and rely on US armed forces for protection). EU has no search engine to speak of. European antiviruses are a joke. There's no european 'office suite' that I know of. Should the United States apply the pressure, Europe has very little to counter the pressure with.

I feel most of the comments here don't correctly lasso this on a fundamental level. This article describes a single data-point in a context where protectionism becomes a guiding policy principle. The world coalesces (will coalesce) in economic alliances with military power to back their interests, and it is an extremely dangerous path.

To people who want to point fingers at individual players, saying "it is the fault of Trump, (China, Putin or whoever)" please don't, unless you want to be part of the warmongering hysteria that lies ahead.

It's not anyone's fault, this is just the result of economic and political history. What we need is to make sure this doesn't end in a man-made catastrophe, larger than anything hitherto.

Considering the spotty nature of updates as it is... I'm not sure I buy into the idea this is a dramatic change as far as risk goes.

> By order of the American government, Google must now end its Android support for Huawei.

Google will continue to support existing Huawei phones.

(un)ironically, Huawei recently stopped allowing bootloader unlocking, now they will probably have to use AOSP

AppStore? Or did they mean Google Play?

After reading this, it occurs to me that a side effect might be the EU getting its act together and provide some real competition to US tech dominance. I would consider that a good thing. Not sure that's what Trump intends...

Quite disappointing that German anti-Americanism goes as far as siding with China. And quite ironic that the author plays the Trump card, who has gained a lot of his notoriety by having ties to another authoritarian regime.

Because Europe is the bastion of morality.

the US cannot disclose why as that would disclose capability used in detection that would teach the others how to circumvent it.

I for one support the decision and would rather have my data and whereabouts in the hands of the USA rather than CHINA.