(Replying to PARENT post)

I'll note again the snowball effect that the Google Cloud block has (Google Cloud totally blocks Iran on a network level).

Now, your services that you host on Google Cloud are not available. Say you are Gitlab, and you host there (they do!). Now, if you put your Open Source project on Gitlab, that project is not accessible to Iranians either (as well as other sanctioned countries).

As someone you spends a couple of weeks every year in Iran, I can tell you that arbitrary websites breaking because of blocks on the US side have a far worse effect on my ability to work then the fact that Facebook and Twitter is blocked.

Why doesn't the documentation for date-fns work? Oh, they load the data from Firebase.

Why can't I compile by Android app? Oh, the Android repository is hosted on Google Cloud.

Etc.

πŸ‘€miracle2kπŸ•‘6yπŸ”Ό0πŸ—¨οΈ0

(Replying to PARENT post)

The author of the great app "City Producer" is French, born in Iran. He fled Iran as a child 40 years ago. He was invited to present his app to Tim Cook at Apple's HQ; however as he's born in Iran he can't enter the US, any time, ever. Never mind he and his parents actually fled the regime. Never mind he isn't an Iran passport holder.

This is US foreign policy. Bullish and stupid.

So this isn't really a problem with Apple or Google; it's a problem with the way US enforces sanctions on countries.

πŸ‘€wazooxπŸ•‘6yπŸ”Ό0πŸ—¨οΈ0

(Replying to PARENT post)

Whilst I understand where the author is coming from, I'm not sure the companies are to blame here.

> Two years ago, under the guise of complying with American sanctions against Iran β€” sanctions that have existed for decades β€” Apple started removing Iranian apps from its platform.

Sanctions aren't always clear-cut, and if a buck is to be made, companies often try to stretch interpretations, try to fly under the radar or rely on the administration on being lenient in some aspects. So I'm not sure it's as simple as "sanctions existed before, so this must be the companies fault".

I'd much rather see sanctions in this space limited/removed - but I hold no hopes for enabling moves in this geopolitical game of power.

πŸ‘€mikejbπŸ•‘6yπŸ”Ό0πŸ—¨οΈ0

(Replying to PARENT post)

The 80 million Iranians are currently held hostage by two entities. First, it is their own government (which is by far not the worst in the world, being in Iran feels more free than one would expect). Second, it is the USA. The US imposed sanctions put real stress on everyday life in Iran, they make transactions complicated to impossible, healthcare unsafe, flights totally unsafe (we had 2 emergencies in the last 12 flights between Iran and Germany) and they currently provoke a big brain drain and probably a new wave of refugees. From what I see the US sanctions are catastrophic for those 80 million people while the government is more or less untouched. For the sake of the family I married into and the genetic relatives of my children: stop that nonsense.
πŸ‘€geff82πŸ•‘6yπŸ”Ό0πŸ—¨οΈ0

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I get it - Sanctions hurt people. They are blunt tools when we need more refined dialogue. It is putting the pain of conflict between our governments onto the people, and not driving change.

All these things are true. But this letter is written to the wrong people. This situation stems from a problem between our governments, and that is where it needs to be fixed. We have limited power to change this, but what power we do have is enacted by electing leaders who will work for a better solution. We get a chance to pick a US President again in just over a year.

Please, when the opportunities arise over the next 18 months, get out, get involved, and vote.

πŸ‘€codingdaveπŸ•‘6yπŸ”Ό0πŸ—¨οΈ0

(Replying to PARENT post)

It's not even about being in Iran, you can be anywhere and they will hunt you down and will try everything in their power to make you suffer more.

I've written about my own experience at https://alireza.gonevis.com/how-i-didnt-get-my-first-paying-...

πŸ‘€Alir3z4πŸ•‘6yπŸ”Ό0πŸ—¨οΈ0

(Replying to PARENT post)

Trade sanction seem counterproductive to me, they breed resentment in a generation of young people, they breed poverty and that ultimately is what breeds extremism and fundamentalism.

Shouldn't trade sanctions be more fine grained? Having part of the population be part of the global economy seems like the best way to eventually push for change in those countries...

πŸ‘€sersiπŸ•‘6yπŸ”Ό0πŸ—¨οΈ0

(Replying to PARENT post)

This is a touchy subject because it gets into the realm of the people are not the regime. Its terrible that everyone gets wrapped up in international conflicts, but I always have to ask what is an alternative plan? In the case with China, no amount of diplomacy would have worked to get them to renegotiate on trade. I'm not sure about other posters on HN, but I know I personally am strongly for stopping nuclear proliferation around the world and it doesn't end with Iran. I want to see India and Pakistan give up their weapons because the doomsday clock there always seems its a minute to midnight. Its a tough, controversial subject and I feel for innocent people caught in the crosshairs.
πŸ‘€cwperkinsπŸ•‘6yπŸ”Ό0πŸ—¨οΈ0

(Replying to PARENT post)

I sincerely hope that the ongoing trade and business war will lead to nice new competitors to Android and iOS. The more countries they ban the higher the chances.
πŸ‘€BorRagnarokπŸ•‘6yπŸ”Ό0πŸ—¨οΈ0

(Replying to PARENT post)

Maybe i'm bitter, or old, but my exclusion from a service is #1 reason to stay away from patronizing it.

It's my opinion that the excluded, Iranians in the case of this article, should be having hard discussions about how they could get away from the likes of Google and Apple, not talks about how to integrate into an ecosystem that appears hostile.

I understand the difficulty of that in practice, but integrating into a group that makes hostile world-changing decisions about groups of people based on geography and cultural differences seems to just empower that group further the next time they try to inject political maneuvering into their business -- making them an even larger threat to those it disagrees with in the future.

In other words : Second verse, same as the first -- vote with your dollar, vote with your participation.

πŸ‘€serfπŸ•‘6yπŸ”Ό0πŸ—¨οΈ0

(Replying to PARENT post)

There are lots of ways to provide free access to information to everyone. How do you expect other people to grow without giving them enough information to understand? Peace depends on the freedom
πŸ‘€arjmandiπŸ•‘6yπŸ”Ό0πŸ—¨οΈ0

(Replying to PARENT post)

The article mentions the kind of dependency on the Android and iOS platforms. I believe this is the right time for Iranian entrepreneurs to start porting or start installing Google free Android as a service on customers’ phones and then have their apps running on them. Some of the smarter ones can even exploit the political scene and say they’re giving a big middle finger to Western companies in favour of something they built locally. I’m assuming that the local politicians are at best indifferent to these measures.
πŸ‘€vmurthyπŸ•‘6yπŸ”Ό0πŸ—¨οΈ0

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Please to all the posters, stick your head out of your butt for a sec, this Iran thing is not something related to just some poor dev unable to publish on their store, it is a world wide dumb reaction all started from the USA foreign agenda. I'll give you an example to highlight how f'd up is the situation, in Italy, country with a quite respectful relation with Iran, banks started kicking out clients (with a one month notice) like my friend just because she was BORN in Teheran grew up in Italy (she's a fucking grown up working as a doctor), with dual italian/iranian citizenship due to the ius sanguinis (iranian mother, italian father) just because of the USA sanctions. If that's not WRONG, tell me what it is.
πŸ‘€rbrtdrmpc-πŸ•‘6yπŸ”Ό0πŸ—¨οΈ0

(Replying to PARENT post)

This get me thinking: are Multinational Companies actually multinational? If their HQ is in one place and they have to operate globally either under jurisdiction or under board pressures of that place, isn't it super dangerous for the people that buy into their "multinational" narrative and place their trust under the assumptions that infrastructure would only seldomly be biased?

EDIT: "seldomly" should be "to a less extent"

πŸ‘€haojixuπŸ•‘6yπŸ”Ό0πŸ—¨οΈ0

(Replying to PARENT post)

Can't really expect the corporate tentacles of the National Securityβ„’ apparatus to comply, especially when there's a slew of bright eye'd folks willing to step up to the plate to pay down their student loans by drinking the kool-aid and lube up to jump in bed with such corporates.

Best to hope for in this environment is to expect nation states to waste more and more resources toward such unproductive endeavors and exploit the gaps.

πŸ‘€cinquembπŸ•‘6yπŸ”Ό0πŸ—¨οΈ0

(Replying to PARENT post)

There are alternative app stores available, for example: https://code.tutsplus.com/articles/10-alternative-android-ap...

Does anyone know enough about the legal angle to talk about what it would take to develop an alternative platform not impacted by US sanctions?

πŸ‘€DoreenMicheleπŸ•‘6yπŸ”Ό0πŸ—¨οΈ0

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We tried to use Stripe Atlas to open a company in USA because Stripe is not yet available in India. From the start they bombarded us questions like, β€˜How will you prevent users from Iran/N.Korea etc from using your product.’ It went on for about 3 months. We gave up and switched to Singapore. Couldn’t have been happier. Singapore is too damn good for business.
πŸ‘€sendromeπŸ•‘6yπŸ”Ό0πŸ—¨οΈ0

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And scientists.

I recently got contacted about an old genetics project that stopped working because Java applets. I told them I can reimplement it in JS, just pay for my time. They said they would love to, but they are an Iranian institute, and I'm a US citizen. So it's a lose-lose situation.

πŸ‘€bufferoverflowπŸ•‘6yπŸ”Ό0πŸ—¨οΈ0

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There is no reason America shouldn't have an ally, or at least a trading partner, in Iran. The ONLY reason they don't is because of the influence of the lsrael lobby over every level of US foreign policy.
πŸ‘€gr8t3stallyπŸ•‘6yπŸ”Ό0πŸ—¨οΈ0

(Replying to PARENT post)

Can someone who is educated on the subject help me understand what the sanctions are about? I've tried Google, but I'm sure HN'ers have a higher IQ/EQ on average than whatever is on the first page of Google results.
πŸ‘€joeblauπŸ•‘6yπŸ”Ό0πŸ—¨οΈ0

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Judging from the quality of discourse in this thread, Hackernews are evidently some of the least enlightened people I encounter in a peer-group setting.
πŸ‘€perfmodeπŸ•‘6yπŸ”Ό0πŸ—¨οΈ0

(Replying to PARENT post)

The 80 million Iranians are currently held hostage by two entities. First, it is their own government (which is by far not the worse in the world, being in Iran feels more free than one would expect).

The Iranian people are not the target -- Persia is a rich ancient civilization that's being repressed -- the West knows this and wants to see the Iranian people's massive creative potential unleashed.

Sanctions are designed as a non-kinetic force applied to pressure the Iranian government into a weakened position. The Iranian people play a significant role in amplifying the pressure. The louder and more vocal their voice becomes, the more pressure their government will feel. If the Iranian people want a change, the change has to come from within.

At some point, when the people amplify the pressure beyond the point the government can withstand, the situation tips and the people force their government to release. This is the effect the sanctions are designed to create.

πŸ‘€espeedπŸ•‘6yπŸ”Ό0πŸ—¨οΈ0

(Replying to PARENT post)

These sanctions are designed to foster resentment in Iranians toward their government. The seeds of this resentment are already blossoming in the post-Iran/Iraq war generation developing these apps. This generation is simply not capable of conforming to the religious zeal required of them by the ayatollahs, sanctions or not. The days are numbered for the velāyat.

The funds received by an Iranian civilian entrepreneur are still open to subjugation by the government. Without these funds, it will be more difficult for this government to destabilize neighboring states, blackmail the Sunnis across the gulf, and energize Hezbollah in their explicitly stated goals to genocide the Jews.

πŸ‘€jasonzemosπŸ•‘6yπŸ”Ό0πŸ—¨οΈ0

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The US is almost at war with Iran so I personally find the title quite silly. The iranian entrepreneurs may soon find themselves blasted by tomahawk missiles.
πŸ‘€thefounderπŸ•‘6yπŸ”Ό0πŸ—¨οΈ0