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Having a small business that works in defense, I can tell you the upper tiers of military recognize and are worried about diverse production and innovation.

But, there's an issue called the "Frozen Middle", where the middle managers, decision makers, and contract officers will still pick the mega-primes because they're perceived as safe, in an environment were compliance and liability is extreme. So, it's hard for (very) small businesses to get a secure foothold, and god forbid they start winning bigger contracts, because the Primes will come muscle them out.

Not mentioned in the article is the issue of blatant technology theft by the Primes from small business. This is very well known in the industry, and a huge issue because typically the Primes are the gatekeepers to integration on a weapons platform.

👤mNovak🕑6y🔼0🗨️0

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It's refreshing for me to see an article from a modern conservative outfit that actually seems to understand the adversarial relationship between the finance sector and the principles of economic conservatism. I particularly liked the section talking about historical precedents and bipartisan support for initiatives:

> Believe it or not, America has been here before. In the 1920s and 1930s, the American defense industrial base was being similarly manipulated by domestic financiers for their own purposes, retarding innovation and damaging the nation’s ability to defend itself. And American military readiness was ebbing in the midst of an increasingly dangerous world full of rising autocracies.

> Within the defense base itself, every example—from TransDigm to L3 to Chinese infiltration of American business—has drawn the attention of members of Congress. Representatives Ted Budd and Paul Cook are Republicans and Representatives Jackie Speier and Ro Khanna are Democrats. They are not alone. Democratic Senator Elizabeth Warren and Representative Tim Ryan have joined Khanna’s demand for a TransDigm investigation.

Outside of this article, the best writing I've seen on this topic of short-term incentives is from British economist John Kay's book "Other People's Money", for example when he compares the annual reports from chemical company ICI in 1987 and 1994.

1987: ICI aims to be the world's leading chemical company, servicing customers internationally through the innovative and responsible application of chemistry and related science...

1994: Our objective is to maximise value for our shareholders by focusing on businesses where we have market leadership, a technological edge and a world competitive cost base.

Kay goes on to explain how ICI, a leading British chemical company since its founding in the 1920s, attracted a short term flurry of investment activity but ultimately sold in 2007 just about a decade after their change of priorities.

Kay primarily blames an over-expansion of the finance sector and the revolving-door culture on Wall Street, fairly consistent with the premises of this article.

👤ex3xu🕑6y🔼0🗨️0

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In broad strokes this is also what has happened to the US health care system and other important realms in the past few decades: making numbers in spreadsheets (and the compensation of a small number of people) a higher priority than the actual problems supposedly being solved, whether it’s communications, national security, or the well-being of the population. Somehow, profits as measured by the finance sector have become an absolute positive, as if there’s never any tradeoff with other non-financial goals.

Money isn’t real, and generating more of it can never be a sensible primary goal; phones, airplanes, and health are real.

👤wrs🕑6y🔼0🗨️0

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This covers most everything I wanted to say - From the comments in the article:

"Very good article. I worked at Bell Labs from 1975-77 after my undergraduate degree. Today, young Scientists don't even know that Bell Labs existed or what it accomplished. I have worked in R&D since 1983 and have watched this process from that vantage point. People used to say, we are just moving the production but we will keep the R&D. That doesn't work. It may take some time, but the R&D eventually follows the shop floor."

👤Aloha🕑6y🔼0🗨️0

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America's short-term focus on quarterly results will be its eventual undoing. No long-term thinking; it's like making your kids drop out of school & farming them out for child labor to make monthly family income look good. Totally shortsighted.
👤aswanson🕑6y🔼0🗨️0

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Apropos of Wall Street's dominance: I've read that the "greed is good" [0] obsession with money started to catch on in the 1980s, after the Reagan tax cuts. Plus, corporate executives use their financial compensation as a way of keeping score in the career game, while compensation committees look to consultants to tell them what the average comp is for executives — which means that the average comp keeps drifting up (because we certainly wouldn't want to pay our CxO less than the average, would we?).

The problem, of course, is that this obsession makes for a bad combination with a focus on the short term, which is practically Wall Street's middle name.

I'm intrigued by the notion that the best long-term fix for short-term financial thinking is to go back to a 70% top marginal tax rate, for that portion of incomes that exceed some multiple of the median (maybe 10X?). That'd still be less than the 91% top rate in 1960 [1] — and it would reduce the competitive incentive for executives and investors to scratch and claw for more and more money as a proxy for [anatomy] measuring.

[0] https://www.wikiwand.com/en/Gordon_Gekko

[1] https://taxfoundation.org/some-historical-tax-stats/

👤dctoedt🕑6y🔼0🗨️0

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Fascinating that the author starts an article on the danger of monopolization with Bell Labs as an icon of American innovation, as the reason Bell Labs existed was Bell's monopoly of the American telephone system. I really wish he had addressed that, especially as it suggests that a well regulated monopoly may be desirable.

I also wish he'd addressed that the barriers to entry in many of these areas are extremely high, and not just for monopolistic reasons - There is an analogue to Moores law (I can't remember the name) that states that the cost of a semiconductor fab facility doubles roughly at the pace semiconductors shrink. Where this is happening (and its been happening in defense aerospace for a long time), there is a natural trend toward consolidation because the payoff is too low to up another facility or line.

Overall an amazing article though.

👤topkai22🕑6y🔼0🗨️0

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As someone who leans conservative, it's interesting to see anti-monopoly ideas starting to come back in from the cold. However, as we all know, talk is cheap and action isn't. I guess I'll start believing that this isn't just a fad once a Republican Justice Department goes after existing monopolies.
👤jdhn🕑6y🔼0🗨️0

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Yet, TransDigm's stock price thrives because Wall Street loves monopolies, regardless of who they are taking advantage of.

Implicit in this passage is a judgment of Wall Street, a laying of blame, but that is misplaced, because while investors may be in a good place to assess the national security implications of the company's strategies, they are not in a position to address them. Failing to maintain critical supply chains and human capital is not their mistake to make. If the government (or governments, the 50 states matter just as much) allows or encourages certain mergers, permits off-shoring of critical industries and does little to ensure the technical capability of a new generation of Americans, investors are basically stuck with that. They can choose to buy or sell; they aren't policy makers.

👤solidsnack9000🕑6y🔼0🗨️0

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FTA: "Policymakers must recognize that industrial capacity is a public good and short-term actors on Wall Street have become a serious national security vulnerability. While private businesses are essential to our common defense, the public sector must once again structure how we organize our national defense and protect our defense industrial base from predatory finance. For several decades, Wall Street has been organizing not just the financing of defense contractors, but the capabilities of our very defense posture. That experiment has been a failure. It is time to wake up, before it’s too late."
👤dctoedt🕑6y🔼0🗨️0

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I reject some of the premise of the article. Just because we can't build mega structures doesn't mean we can't effectively project power and defend ourselves. There hasn't been a conventional war in years; no amount of fighter jets or tanks will cause the Taliban to submit.

That said, my opinion is that equally to blame as Wall Street is the schism between the military and the coasts, which house most of the country's intellectual power. It's hard to imagine today that the Bay Area was the center of defense R&D two generations ago. Today there is largely the perception that the U.S. military is acting in a manner counter to what we perceive ourselves to be as a liberal democracy. Evidenced by the recent Google and Amazon protests, knowledge workers bristle at the possibility of their work being used for purposes that aren't entirely positive. As far as I'm aware, the Chinese have no such hang-ups. Is it the fault of the military for appearing too evil, or is it the fault of progressives singing the siren song of non-aggression in a hostile world, who knows.

Now, the part I agree with is the supply chain issues. I go out of my way to buy American and local whenever possible, even if it means a higher price, because I realize the importance of domestic production will play in a future where the U.S. isn't the undisputed leader of the world.

👤georgeburdell🕑6y🔼0🗨️0

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Many (most?) American corporations have already been subverted on a level where they make major decisions against US long term interests in favor of short term profits and working for China. Working for China I say!? how outrageous! A board member, middle manager, CTO, etc. can literally be bought by the Chinese government and NOTHING will ever happen. The Chinese have looked at our corporate system and found the weakness in decision makers. Without strong laws in place preventing this we will suffer a death of a thousand cuts as our companies sell out secrets and markets to the Chinese government.

Edit: If you are a Chinese business man and make decisions perceived by the PRC as selling out your people to America you would probably disappear in the night. In the US you can do this with impunity. How to succeed without becoming totalitarian ourselves?

👤solotronics🕑6y🔼0🗨️0

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>>> One of the most ardent opponents of consolidation in the 1990s is current presidential candidate Bernie Sanders, who in 1996 passed an amendment to block Pentagon subsidies for defense mergers, or what he called “Payoffs for Layoffs.”
👤Dowwie🕑6y🔼0🗨️0

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Instead of worrying about domestic production, how about entangling the two economies such that they can't afford to attack each other. Canada, USA, and Mexcio aren't going to start shooting at each other because any attack would ruin the attacker's supply chain -- and customer base.

This is similar to the NATO principle: entangle the countries' military objectives together but don't make it worthwhile for them to invest in actual military power -- essentials bribing them to not be able fight wars (this is why complaining that they don't pay "enough" is potentially destabilizing and could cost more later).

👤gumby🕑6y🔼0🗨️0

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>> top market share because its equipment—espionage vulnerabilities aside—is the best value on the market.

It is horrible. It is full of stupid security flaws, something that may or may not be linked to the NS concerns. It is "best value" because it ticks all the performance boxes, but is total junk in every other area. To cite Clarkson, it is like a kid with a turbo on his honda civic. It may be as fast off the line as a Ferrari, but in no other way is is anything like a Ferrari.

👤sandworm101🕑6y🔼0🗨️0

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War or no war China will be always happy to sell material to US. It had happened before with British buying Zeiss binoculars from Germany in exchange for rubber during WWI.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_World_War_glass–rubber...

👤chewz🕑6y🔼0🗨️0

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The American economic tournament is incentivizing the wrong north star metrics, and people are beginning to finally realize it. However most seem to not know what to do about it. Quality of life, on many dimensions, is any communities North Star, and the current metrics of employment and market size have detached themselves from that. I think things like Libra and other attempts will be the beginning of individuals experimenting with post Dow national metrics, and hopefully one of them will discover a better tournament for human growth and value.
👤tsunamifury🕑6y🔼0🗨️0

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I honestly don’t see America surviving the next century. There is no simple way to describe the inefficiencies, but one thrust follows the fact that it is in essence a ‘bad thing’ that our politicians are held in such contempt.

I see our brightest minds instead going into finance to work to enrich themselves with no clear moral framework. Our best problem solvers in science and engineering fields, who we need in positions of government at this moment, are horrified at the prospect of how they would be treated by our media and shy away.

👤mensetmanusman🕑6y🔼0🗨️0

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I can't speak to other services, but the Air Force is pushing hard (relatively speaking) into investing in startups. Naturally, since the minds behind this are rather technologically inept the results are mixed. (3d printers and virtual reality for everyone!) but they have implemented some programs to provide funding and contracts for startups that fill a critical role - afwerx being an example. https://www.afwerx.af.mil/
👤asni🕑6y🔼0🗨️0

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>Americans invented the telephone business and until recently dominated production and research. But in the last 20 years, every single American producer of key telecommunication equipment sectors is gone.

So qualcomm doesn't exist?

👤kneel🕑6y🔼0🗨️0

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I agree the loss of manufacturing & production skill in the US is a problem. I dont think you can blame Wall Street directly for "short termism".

Monopolies aside, investment flows to the most efficient ways of doing things. Right now in a globalized world that really is to produce in China. If you want the most strategic and adversarial way that is a different problem. Globalization has been a drive for American governments the last half a century, was it wrong? You can't blame the investment community for globalization.

👤rb808🕑6y🔼0🗨️0

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It's good to see a successful think tank (Open Markets Institute) devoted to the anti-monopoly cause.

I guess this means that there is a faction of the moneyed class which thinks monopolies aren't such a good idea.

Edit: some background on OMI: https://www.wired.com/story/freedom-from-facebook-open-marke...

👤fourthark🕑6y🔼0🗨️0

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Overall I think this is an excellent article. But it misses a few points, mainly in how much of the United States' resources have been squandered in fighting pointless wars.

In January 2017 Chinese CEO Jack Ma (Alibaba) commented on the United States' gifts to China [0]: "Ma says blaming China for any economic issues in the U.S. is misguided. If America is looking to blame anyone, Ma said, it should blame itself.

"'It’s not that other countries steal jobs from you guys,' Ma said. 'It’s your strategy. Distribute the money and things in a proper way.'”

"He said the U.S. has wasted over $14 trillion in fighting wars over the past 30 years rather than investing in infrastructure at home.

"To be sure, Ma is not the only critic of the costly U.S. policies of waging war against terrorism and other enemies outside the homeland. Still, Ma said this was the reason America’s economic growth had weakened, not China’s supposed theft of jobs."

Another Jack Ma quote from the same time period [1]: "'The past 30 years, companies like IBM, Cisco and Microsoft made tons of money.'

"The question is: where did that money go? It was wasted, Ma explained.

"'In the past 30 years, America has had 13 wars at a cost of $14.2 trillion. That’s where the money went.' He also questioned America’s decision to bankroll Wall Street after the 2008 financial crash, arguing the money would have been better spent in other areas.

"'What if they had spent part of that money on building up their infrastructure, helping white-collar and blue-collar workers? You’re supposed to spend money on your own people.'"

[0] Chinese billionaire Jack Ma says the US wasted trillions on warfare instead of investing in infrastructure - https://www.cnbc.com/2017/01/18/chinese-billionaire-jack-ma-...

[1] Jack Ma: America has wasted its wealth - https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2017/01/jack-ma-america-has-w...

Over the past 50 or 100 years, US Presidents from both parties have tended to be 'useful idiots'. Maybe Kennedy would've figured things out, but a loan gunman took him out before he could stand up to the "military-industrial complex" his predecessor had warned about. The peanut farmer (Carter) wasn't so bad, but he didn't seem to have a big-picture understanding of what he was up against. Reagan might've been effective, then he got shot by a loan gunman early in his first term [2], and was kind of useless after that. GHW Bush was indoctrinated in the dark arts due to his stint at the CIA. Clinton picked up Bush's "globalization" policies (NAFTA, WTO) and ran with them. GW Bush was a dyslexic useful idiot extraordinaire. Obama meant well, but he didn't have any life experience other than community organizing, academics, and politicking.

[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attempted_assassination_of_Ron...

Humanity's traditional problem was scarcity. The onward march of technology has allowed our species to achieve liftoff. Our problem is now in figuring out how to share the abundance.

👤taxicabjesus🕑6y🔼0🗨️0

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More from this author on monopolies (and politics): https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/10/how-dem...
👤tanderson92🕑6y🔼0🗨️0

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It's incredible how much damage the financial industry has done to America over the past two or so decades. GFC, healthcare financialization/rent-seeking/price-gouging, and decimation of our industrial base. How much more of this can we take.
👤SkyMarshal🕑6y🔼0🗨️0

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The author makes.many excellent points but one very big mistake: the assumption of evil intentions on the part of China (and Nazi Germany for that matter). They are not so much concerned with pushing the US into a dependency, but rather mich more with 1) building up key economic sectors and 2) assuring their own independence of US suppliers. That US capacity shrinks at the same time might be a side effect but is not the first priority any other country aims for. Its actually the US which has long and intentionally cultivated dependence of other countries in defense and these others do resent this situation the same way the author sees.it from the US perspective. Just look at the embarrassing Eurohawk project, which takes outdated US drone technology and adds a mild update, but to produce it the consortium first has to buy full drones from US suppliers. Totally ridiculous and immense >bn€ waste of funds, but initiated in a mutual understanding that there is a defense partnership and interreliance between the US and EU partner countries.
👤pergadad🕑6y🔼0🗨️0

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This article explains everything. Holy cow.
👤deboflo🕑6y🔼0🗨️0

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I mean it seems like the simple thing here is just to treat price gouging the military equivalent to treason - after all money paid to executives paychecks rather than, say, armour is direct harm.

In the early days of the MIC the companies were required to sell at cost because they were able to use the technology they developed with military resources in the commercial world.

I still don’t understand how a single missile “costs” more than a million dollars, even with absurd mark up

👤olliej🕑6y🔼0🗨️0