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What I always wonder why Americans don't build solid houses? In Russia and in Kazakhstan everyone builds house with thick (70-150 cm) walls with bricks and with good foundation. Even poor people don't build houses from plywood. But in America it seems that everyone, poor and rich builds extremely fragile houses. Like I can punch a wall with my knuckle. It seems so absurd. Especially with those prices that I'm hearing about, like house costs hundreds of thousands of dollars, up to a millions of dollars. I can build awesome house here for like $200k with very quality materials. Can American build a good house from bricks with very thick walls for a reasonable amount of money?
πŸ‘€vbezhenarπŸ•‘5yπŸ”Ό0πŸ—¨οΈ0

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Two reasons - at least on the West coast, building codes incorporate earthquake survivability of the occupants, inexpensive solid walls collapse easily in earthquakes, 2. speed and cost of construction and availability of labor for woodframe housing and even multistory apartment buildings across the USA.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2019-02-13/why-ameri...

πŸ‘€stevenwooπŸ•‘5yπŸ”Ό0πŸ—¨οΈ0

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All over the world houses are built according to available local materials and the degree of weather insulation required, mainly.

In America, houses in Maine can be built completely differently from houses in Florida.

The reason we don't build out of stone/brick, besides cost of construction, is that they're terrible insulators. So your heating or AC bill is going to go absolutely through the roof.

A wood frame stuffed with insulation means your home can be energy-efficient. This is a good thing.

We don't fetishize a house being "solid" and we don't generally punch our walls on a regular basis. :) "Solid" sounds like a big waste of money to me.

πŸ‘€crazygringoπŸ•‘5yπŸ”Ό0πŸ—¨οΈ0

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> Can American build a good house from bricks with very thick walls for a reasonable amount of money?

Not really, no. You can build a much bigger house and/or save money for upgrades to things that are expected to increase the later sale value of the house (chiefly, the kitchen, but also things like nice outdoor spaces) instead of building with brick. In some areas brick houses are more common but they are mostly older ones. It’s difficult to recover the extra cost of building with brick when selling a house, so it’s rarely done. Since most houses are build by housing developers contracted to one or more newly-building neighborhoods, they’re very sensitive to anything that would reduce their margins or see finished houses sit on their books, and all-brick construction would usually do that.

Brick is sometimes used in pasted-on faΓ§ades, usually as a kind of β€œskirt” on the lower part of the front of the house. These may not even be full bricks, but ones cut lengthwise to maximize use of material and reduce weight (see: β€œpasted-on”)

[EDIT] I should add that the overriding concern of almost all home construction and renovation in the US is reducing the amount of labor required. That’s where most of the cost is, so it’s ruthlessly optimized.

πŸ‘€karatestompπŸ•‘5yπŸ”Ό0πŸ—¨οΈ0

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I think the concept that timber houses are inherently fragile is not really true.

> Even poor people don't build houses from plywood. But in America it seems that everyone, poor and rich builds extremely fragile houses.

It isn't generally just plywood, that would be a very unusual house.

As for your question of cost, with brick exterior walls, the marginal cost of interior volume decreases with size, so the question of an "awesome house" kinda changes. What people expect to be paid for labour is also higher.

Brick is not a panacea, when it comes to building houses. It is an efficient thermal conductor, so insulation is more difficult, the way you have to fasten the interior of the house to it causes thermal bridging. Common ways of constructing brick buildings can cause condensation on the inside in cold winters, which can cause damage and harm air quality.

There are two and three hundred year old timber homes. It is quite doable if you have large enough overhangs, and a durable roof.

Also keep in mind Russia and Kazakhstan have a completely different climate to most of North America.

Then on top of all of this, a lot of North Americans think of houses very differently. There are people who are building for a lifetime and a legacy, but most are content to have a comfortable sizeable dwelling which isn't going to collapse. It's fine to build a mediocre timber home, if it means that people get more or less what they wanted. As somebody who appreciates fine quality housing, I'd like it another way, but it seems that my fellow North Americans have something else in mind, and that's their business.

πŸ‘€microcolonelπŸ•‘5yπŸ”Ό0πŸ—¨οΈ0

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I think the you're largely observing the difference in purchasing power of a dollar between the US and eastern Europe. If you spent $200K to build a stone house, it would be much smaller (for example, in Western Europe where the purchasing power is more similar to the United States and stone construction is more common, houses tend to be much smaller than the US). This isn't to say that large houses are ideal, but Americans in general certainly tend to value living space more than Europeans.

Further, the American model might be more susceptible to damage, but the damage is more cheaply repaired. It also lends itself to remodel as trends change (e.g., central heating and airconditioning, innovations in indoor plumbing [like removing lead-based plumbing], computer networking, as well as changes in interior layout trends), which allows a property to hold more value for longer.

πŸ‘€throwaway894345πŸ•‘5yπŸ”Ό0πŸ—¨οΈ0

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Anybody semi-capable can easily modify a stick built house. And Americans _love_ to modify their houses. DIY stores are big business here. I, myself, am adding some recessed LED lights into a couple bedroom ceilings this weekend. When I'm done, apart from the light fixtures themselves, you will never know the work was done 50 years after the house was built because there are no cable raceways and no external plugs.
πŸ‘€ranDOMscriptsπŸ•‘5yπŸ”Ό0πŸ—¨οΈ0

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As an American now living in Russia (in a region with 30% Armenians), I can confirm this. Our construction quality of our house in the US is trash. It's made out of cheap pine and plywood and has terrible thermal properties. We recently had to replace all the siding because it just rotted off. Meanwhile the places in Russia are smaller, but generally higher quality (which I prefer). Also, many Russians don't take on mortgages and pay for property with cash - which is amazing considering how low salaries are vs the West (they're huge savers - at least the older generations).
πŸ‘€cpursleyπŸ•‘5yπŸ”Ό0πŸ—¨οΈ0

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We do... on the East coast where the risk of a category 4 throwing a palm tree through your kitchen is higher than an earthquake causing all the bricks in your house to disassociate with one another. The Midwest is screwed either way with what tornados are capable of so they just build whatever is cheapest to rebuild
πŸ‘€tomatotomato37πŸ•‘5yπŸ”Ό0πŸ—¨οΈ0

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I am temporarily living outside USA in a concrete walled apartment. The concrete cracks constantly, tiles fall off the walls, and the door fitting seems to be totally variable based on temp and humidity.

I miss living in houses made of wood. And how easily central air systems are installed in wooden homes.

πŸ‘€kylehotchkissπŸ•‘5yπŸ”Ό0πŸ—¨οΈ0

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I have never found an answer to this question, especially given the thermal efficiency costs. Homes in Crimea have meter-thick walls and hold insulation really well, that's actually a huge point considering how high my monthly electric bill is.

Anyway, ONE reason is that the drywall home is more pliable - you can adjust the layout and change out the wiring / piping with relative ease. Of course, at that point you don't have much house left, other than a few supporting structures.

The American home is really the cement basement/foundation (outside of Florida), a carrier beam or two across the basement (metal) and a few wood carrier beams on the upper floor / floors. Insulation is typically fiberglass. After that, there is not much substance to it. The brick on the outside does not bear weight.

They do last a decent amount of time when maintained though. Then again, maintenance is high.

πŸ‘€throw1234651234πŸ•‘5yπŸ”Ό0πŸ—¨οΈ0

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Financialisation of land due to banking. The more land costs the less you have for materials.
πŸ‘€amiga_500πŸ•‘5yπŸ”Ό0πŸ—¨οΈ0

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Americans tear down houses a lot more often than Russians and former Soviet client nations do. The housing sector in the US represents an oversized % of its GDP. In fact there are a number of sectors (health care/insurance, housing, military, VA) that are super gigantic compared to even a well off OECD country that, if sized down to a more "normal" level, would turn America into just another average OECD country. Something that might be really great for a number of reasons.
πŸ‘€nickbaumanπŸ•‘5yπŸ”Ό0πŸ—¨οΈ0

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> In Russia and in Kazakhstan everyone builds house with thick (70-150 cm) walls with bricks and with good foundation. Even poor people don't build houses from plywood. But in America it seems that everyone, poor and rich builds extremely fragile houses.

Not everyone. In the more rural areas there are a lot of farm houses build very solidly.

These are usually build according to traditional techniques stemming from the European guilds of carpenters and masons.

πŸ‘€TorwaldπŸ•‘5yπŸ”Ό0πŸ—¨οΈ0

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1) As others pointed out, need to account for seismic activity.

2) The invention of air conditioning (and low prices for heating) allow inefficient architectures while maintaining reasonable comfort.

3) Corporatization of construction led to structures that are efficient and quick to erect.

4) Insurability of a tract house with standard architecture is much better, due to predictable materials + labor costs.

πŸ‘€prostoalexπŸ•‘5yπŸ”Ό0πŸ—¨οΈ0

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I imagine part of it is that we want big houses in the US, so cheaper materials allow a bigger house without a linear increase in costs. Also, I believe lumber is cheaper here. Wood houses are also popular in Norway, where wood is cheap.
πŸ‘€tyingqπŸ•‘5yπŸ”Ό0πŸ—¨οΈ0

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Almost every town has some code that says you can't do that.

Or the house is already built, and tearing it down to make a brick one is $$$ plus permit maybe will be denied.

And most homebuilding companies only use wood.

πŸ‘€quaquaqua1πŸ•‘5yπŸ”Ό0πŸ—¨οΈ0

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Brick houses don't fare well in seismic areas (think California) and they're more costly/time consuming to fix in areas frequently visited by tornadoes.
πŸ‘€dan_hawkinsπŸ•‘5yπŸ”Ό0πŸ—¨οΈ0

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For one thing most of America is at a much lower latitude than most of Russia and Kazakhstan. Houses don't need as much insulation to be habitable in the winter.
πŸ‘€hirundoπŸ•‘5yπŸ”Ό0πŸ—¨οΈ0

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The energy costs are probably a major part of the equation. Heating/AC costs are lower so it doesn't make sense to invest in energy efficiency. Same as low gas prices with very lightly taxed fuel compared to other western countries. This all has to change with the global warming threat (the much worse alternative of giving up on it, of course exists too)
πŸ‘€fulafelπŸ•‘5yπŸ”Ό0πŸ—¨οΈ0

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Come on, brick wall of 150cm? It's insane, no one builds that for individual house.
πŸ‘€galkkπŸ•‘5yπŸ”Ό0πŸ—¨οΈ0

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One thing is that we Americans loooove remodeling our houses. We have whole TV channels dedicated to the topic. So, besides the benefits that other people have mentioned here, wood-frame structures are easy to change to suit our needs.
πŸ‘€joncpπŸ•‘5yπŸ”Ό0πŸ—¨οΈ0

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> But in America it seems that everyone, poor and rich builds extremely fragile houses.

Not everyone. In "flyover country" there are a lot of solid craftsmen doing solid work.

πŸ‘€TorwaldπŸ•‘5yπŸ”Ό0πŸ—¨οΈ0

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Americans and Australians still haven't learned about double glazing.

Definitely one of the more 'wtf' moments when I moved.

πŸ‘€missosoupπŸ•‘5yπŸ”Ό0πŸ—¨οΈ0

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Stacked cinderblocks are dangerous in areas with powerful earthquakes and tornadoes.
πŸ‘€evv555πŸ•‘5yπŸ”Ό0πŸ—¨οΈ0

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When you step out of the wood frame and asphalt roof mold, construction is considered specialized and costs go way up. You could use, for example, concrete masonry units or aerated concrete panels, and a metal roof. Your costs probably just doubled per square foot.
πŸ‘€projektfuπŸ•‘5yπŸ”Ό0πŸ—¨οΈ0

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If you built with brick that would be against code and you’d be incredibly likely to die if there is an earthquake.

Additionally, Americans are fairly fond of tearing down existing structures to rebuild which is harder to do with brick.

Thirdly, wood is an abundant resource in the US.

πŸ‘€plandisπŸ•‘5yπŸ”Ό0πŸ—¨οΈ0

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Not saying it is a good reason, but wood is more flexible so resist better to earthquake. Brick and concrete will crack more easily even if you have many small imperceptible tremors. So in some area it may make sense. I agree though it's weird.
πŸ‘€carreauπŸ•‘5yπŸ”Ό0πŸ—¨οΈ0