πŸ‘€headalgorithmπŸ•‘5yπŸ”Ό130πŸ—¨οΈ117

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I have found if you have nothing constructive to do, then twitter sucks you in and is very addictive.

But after a few years or so of constant nonsense, you become adapted to the addiction and just ignore everything on it. Atleast thats what happened to me.

I went from constantly checking twitter to deleting my account and just going to the feed of one or two people once a day to keep informed.

I now laugh at how worked up everyone gets, and all the play acting and rival factions involved. Its almost like an iq test, where you pass if you dont play the game.

The problem is a lot of people are staying indoors right now with nothing to do and are discovering twitter/reddit for the first time.

Imagine a person not only new to social media, but new to the internet as a whole with no bs filters built in. He/she would be such a mark.

The real herd immunity is people understanding over time how emotionally manipulative social media is and learning to ignore it like we do 99% of advertisements.

πŸ‘€schalabπŸ•‘5yπŸ”Ό0πŸ—¨οΈ0

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The level of disinformation I'm seeing around this is like nothing I've ever seen before. The thing is: many of these protests have dozens of people livestreaming the entire thing. You can see what is happening in real time, and it makes a lot of the disinformation extremely obvious.

I think a lot of the disinformation is just a function of how twitter (and to a lesser extent facebook) encourage misunderstanding/rage. For instance: there was a report that the majority of arrests after a Minneapolis protest were from out of state. This of course went completely viral, and was also completely false.

But the retraction of course did not go viral (since it will not create as much rage), and people are still repeating this misinformation.

Twitter especially is such a sad thing, and I hope at one point we can look back at the it the way that we look back at drug epidemics. It encourages people to misunderstand one another and get angry, not to seek a greater shared understanding.

πŸ‘€blhackπŸ•‘5yπŸ”Ό0πŸ—¨οΈ0

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It seems like there is some serious disinformation/psych ops working overtime across the internet right now; the tone is weirdly hostile. I would hope people would question the motivation of obviously divisive rhetoric, but it's clear that is a resounding no. As they say, people always buy with their emotions.

I'm afraid the days of an open internet are quickly closing.

πŸ‘€EVdotIOπŸ•‘5yπŸ”Ό0πŸ—¨οΈ0

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China had an extensive system to delete disinformation. Every IM, UGC website or app are required by law to provide a report button and ICPs are required to response to user complaints immediately. There's also national wide hotline 12377 or website 12377.gov.cn to submit all categories of information you want to disappear. Any bad content esp. those against-govn't ones contained pretty quickly, which means not only the existing ones, but also prevention of future uploads or posts would be blocked. And the original uploader would be backtraced by "cyberpolice", and jailed if found.

I imagine if any technical measures taken to combat disinformation, it would be more or less like what China did here.

πŸ‘€estπŸ•‘5yπŸ”Ό0πŸ—¨οΈ0

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Stop treating Twitter as news. It's trash, bots, and trashy bots all the way down.
πŸ‘€racnidπŸ•‘5yπŸ”Ό0πŸ—¨οΈ0

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I keep hearing this from the mainstream, while at the same time politicians keep going on TV saying things that aren't true, or are misleading. I think the politicians are using tactics from the "how to stop riots" playbook, but they don't work in a world where information flows freely. Probably the best example of this is how the authorities in Minnesota lied about 80% of protestors being from out of state, and when someone went through the arrest records they found this was entirely false, and that in fact the vast majority were from MN, and most were locals[0].

They've been trying to use this tactic elsewhere (I've been hearing it from de Blasio and Cuomo), but I don't think it'll work anymore. Politicians don't want to acknowledge that the riots are the result of angry citizens acting out in the only way they have the power to act, which is through disorderly conduct, because the system doesn't work for them.

As I write this, I can hear concussion grenades going off outside my window (I live in the middle of Manhattan) for the 5th or 6th night in a row. Every night I've watched thousands of unarmed peaceful protestors march by, demanding action. Meanwhile the NYPD is out in full military gear firing chemical weapons and rubber bullets indiscriminately at anyone who looks at them the wrong way.

I guess my point is that the disinformation is coming from the officials too, so everyone needs to look hard at real evidence before jumping to any conclusions. Please don't fall for the appeal to authority fallacy.

[0]: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/minnesota-officials-say-most-pe...

πŸ‘€brenden2πŸ•‘5yπŸ”Ό0πŸ—¨οΈ0

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I myself have seen fake β€œtweet screenshots β€œ that are trying really hard to scare suburban people that antifa is attacking them that night and I am in a liberal circle for the most part. If that is the case I can only imagine how bad the situation is for people in rural areas.
πŸ‘€yaloginπŸ•‘5yπŸ”Ό0πŸ—¨οΈ0

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The problem is that people seem to want Facebook and/or the government to decide what is real information or not.

It seems like there are two major hurdles. First people need to be informed about history and reality to really see why having Facebook and the government decide what is true or not is a bad idea.

The second big hurdle is, we actually do need to do _something_ to reduce the amount of wanton spread of disinformation and propaganda by many groups online. It's not as easy as many people think it is, because unfortunately all governments and large companies do it quite a bit, and having those types of institutions simply dictate reality is just as bad as for example, having Amazon have complete control of the product listings on its site when they also market competing products. It's the fox guarding the hen house.

πŸ‘€ilakshπŸ•‘5yπŸ”Ό0πŸ—¨οΈ0

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This could be very dangerous. If miss information leads to people distrusting the US government based on lies. But worse this could be a bad case of the boy crying wolf. Of the government does ever start taking these crazy authoritarian measures who will trust the information reporting it?
πŸ‘€xupybdπŸ•‘5yπŸ”Ό0πŸ—¨οΈ0

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As someone who has used the public internet since the late 80s I have turned away from it almost entirely in the past few years. Its content is similar to those free rags like SFWeekly you can pick up from a dispenser on the streets. It's largely poor quality content supported by largely poor quality, irrelevant advertising. If you want to get riled up and find a rub-n-tug to calm you down, you don't even have to leave your home anymore.

The internet is in need of a reboot.

πŸ‘€kradroyπŸ•‘5yπŸ”Ό0πŸ—¨οΈ0

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Any technical solutions to this that HN can think of? Twitter tracing traffic? Anomaly detection on tweet contents to find tweets from hacked accounts like the one in the article? Some sort of CA type model? I feel like this is a technical problem that could have a technical solution.
πŸ‘€zebrafishπŸ•‘5yπŸ”Ό0πŸ—¨οΈ0

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I dislike the denigration of Twitter as a news platform. Just like every other, you must think critically about what you see. However, that's not possible if information has been censored beforehand.

I have not seen even a fraction of the unprovoked police beatings and shootings, which have definitively occurred, aired on news broadcasts. That includes incidents where the press has been physically attacked by police. How can this be representative of reality?

πŸ‘€bsanr2πŸ•‘5yπŸ”Ό0πŸ—¨οΈ0

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Unfortunately I no longer find NPR credible, they are too reliant on donations from large corporate donors and are openly partisan in their politics. I occasionally listen to their radio shows to get 'the establishment view' but that' about it...
πŸ‘€olivermarksπŸ•‘5yπŸ”Ό0πŸ—¨οΈ0

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The link to the fake screenshot from the Designated Survivor tv show appears to be just a link to a google image search. For me it just shows a bunch of pictures of people in suits.
πŸ‘€ufoπŸ•‘5yπŸ”Ό0πŸ—¨οΈ0

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would not be at all surprised if the FBI has evidence that these riots are often escalated by foreign operatives. or at the very least escalated by locals that have been groomed and stoked by foreign powers.

The US imploding is right up Russia's and China's street. Though I suspect that China would prefer that the Us doesn't dissolve economically, they need them to keep buying shit from them.

πŸ‘€senectus1πŸ•‘5yπŸ”Ό0πŸ—¨οΈ0

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I see a lot of hate against Twitter. A lot of it is probably justified.

Here's my small thread: https://twitter.com/theshawwn/status/1267631457792479237

We're in Seattle. I went to go pick up my script from the local Walgreens. When we stepped out of the Uber, we were greeted with a freshly-shattered window and a freshly-closed Walgreens.

It's one thing to know "unrest is happening" in the abstract, but it's quite another to see it in person. So we walked through the business district and snapped some photos.

Business after business was boarded up, sometimes literally, sometimes with whatever they could use. Chairs, or shopping carts, for example.

More than that, the whole district had a remarkably different feel. Just a few months ago, it was humming and bustling with the usual energy of a semi-big city. Now it's like people are preparing for... well, nothing good.

I'm not sure there's another platform where you can tell a story like this, is there? Not with photos and text, anyway. Sure, I could put up a website and call it "My stroll through Seattle," but why? I suppose Imgur would work, but it doesn't really feel like a community to me. On Twitter you get a few "Be safe!" shoutouts from the people you know, at least.

I guess my point here is that Twitter doesn't need to be read-only. Go participate! You don't even have to post anything noteworthy.

The platform has also helped change my mind about some things. For example, it helps to consider the situation from the point of view of someone who's afraid to call 911. I was pretty far in the camp of "Let the police do their jobs" before this was pointed out.

A lot of VCs do good work on Twitter too. For example, Patrick Collison is starting to gather some info about which organizations might be effective in reducing police violence: https://twitter.com/patrickc/status/1267516891330838528

pg donated $1M to coronavirus efforts, but unfortunately I can't find the tweet right now. It was quite something seeing someone drop $1M on a cause they care about, though. And I only heard about it indirectly, due to the front-line workers thanking pg for his donation.

It's true that there's a lot of hate on the platform, and a lot of sadness, and disinformation. But I wanted to try to highlight some positive aspects, for whatever it's worth.

πŸ‘€sillysaurusxπŸ•‘5yπŸ”Ό0πŸ—¨οΈ0

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The single two greatest dangers to a happy life are (1) believing in falsehoods, and (2) spreading them.
πŸ‘€heymartinadamsπŸ•‘5yπŸ”Ό0πŸ—¨οΈ0

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I'm seeing false accusations of Antifa starting violence all over the place. It's the right-wing's boogieman-du-jours, and likely false-flag representation at best.

Edit: Downvoters– tell me why you're downvoting this?

Why would Antifa purposefully take actions that would deliberately cause an armed police response to otherwise-peaceful protests?

Edit 2 since I can no longer post responses: Clearly the misinformation campaign continues alive and well here on HN. Dare to defend those with less privilege and get downvoted to hell.

πŸ‘€jacheeπŸ•‘5yπŸ”Ό0πŸ—¨οΈ0

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EDIT: removed my comment because it turns out I was very wrong apparently.. sorry
πŸ‘€slimsagπŸ•‘5yπŸ”Ό0πŸ—¨οΈ0

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White nationalist group posing as antifa called for violence on Twitter - https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/security/twitter-takes-down-was...
πŸ‘€user982πŸ•‘5yπŸ”Ό0πŸ—¨οΈ0

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Weird--I lurk a lot in the unseemly corners of the Internet, and I can't recall ever having seen a piece of disinformation that wasn't obviously so.

I wonder if this isn't blown a bit out of proportion. There's a lot of difference between a "war of the worlds" piece that a lot of people might actually believe, and a "trump is a literal nazi" piece that everyone knows is hyperbole.

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