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There are true statements that are rightly unacceptable because placed in certain rhetorical contexts, there's an implied argument that they're making which has been rejected by society.

For example, JK Rowling's statement that "there used to be a word for people who menstruate" was essentially true (menopause aside), but had a hefty implied message about the legitimacy of transgender women, one which is rightly considered offensive to most of modern society.

Edit: Since people are nitpicking, here's an even starker example: Can you imagine contexts where it would be rightly offensive for an African-American to be told the true statement "My ancestors used to enslave people like you"?

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> legitimacy of transgender women

What does this even mean? Like, how can someone not be "legitimate"? Does it mean "illegal" as in illegal alien? Is anyone claiming that trans citizens should be deported? Or does it mean "imaginary"? Trans people obviously exist.

JKRowling is simply pointing out that the word "woman", which used to have the clear and simple meaning of "female human" (or sometimes "adult female human"), was now not only redefined & politicized to basically mean "opinion" (or "a woman is someone who thinks they're a woman" which is a clearly nonsensical recursive definition) and is used for Orwellian speech control.

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Rowling's statement wasn't even explicitly true before the rise of transgender visibility. It excludes women who don't conform. I've lived with pre-menopausal women who didn't menstruate regularly and felt that they were "wrong" somehow because of it (some had underlying medical issues, some did not). To use Graham's analogy, even ignoring transgender issues, the orthodoxy there was privileged against the multitude of female experience.

Rowling's statement is true if your experience leads you to prioritize the orthodox. It's patently false if your experience deviates from the experiences that created it. The struggle in the conservation of orthodox values (e.g. sisterhood of women) and the visibility of heterodox experience (e.g transgender issues & the lived experience of women who's bodies don't conform to the stereotypes being used) has a lot of truth on both sides.

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I'm not here to argue the merits of JK Rowlings' statement but I do think you're vastly overestimating your group if you think "most of modern society" is on your side in this subject.

I've read (one of) JK Rowlings' latest blog entries, and while I don't personally agree with her statements they seemed far, far more reasonable and debatable than what the internet made of it.

The internet made it seem like she was going to war against transgenders...

edit: for anyone looking to read it as well, I read this one: https://www.jkrowling.com/opinions/j-k-rowling-writes-about-...

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Often times when I have any kind of nuanced debate, this kind of tribalism comes to the surface. If you disagree on some small point you're obviously the opposition in it's entirety. The other side of the debate comes up with an entire fiction in their mind that has no bearing on reality and nothing to do with any stated phrase or real position. I have had people tell me I'm against marijuana legalization because I support lowering the fees for concealed carry licenses.

You can't accurately construct a message about someone elses mental state without talking to them at length. When you assume people imply things, you're actually sharing YOUR mental state. When you take a message to mean significantly more than what the words themselves mean, you're not filling in the gaps with reality but your perception of reality.

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I consider the question of how far language should adapt for transgender people to be a reasonable one. Transgender proportion of population is on the same order as blindness. Many would consider it excessive to remove all non-eyesight uses of "vision", analogies like "I see what you mean", etc from our discourse.

It's absolutely fine that you disagree with JK Rowling. It's also fine that she disagrees with you. Talk about it! Don't throw slurs at each other. Don't make personal attacks.

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I like how brush under the rug menopause, as if making your point where you say "except for this obvious exception that makes this statement unequivocally false!"

The word "women" has always referred to female assigned sex, there is nothing wrong with that inherently but it wasn't entertaining some deeper truth about the world.

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> a hefty implied message about the legitimacy of transgender women, one which is rightly considered offensive to most of modern society.

Based on Pew polling, most Americans agree with Rowling[0].

>Overall, roughly half of Americans (54%) say that whether someone is a man or a woman is determined by the sex they were assigned at birth, while 44% say someone can be a man or a woman even if that is different from the sex they were assigned at birth.

Any ideology that considers truth to be unacceptable is a menace. Feelings cannot matter more than facts. Anyone who tries to tell you different should be immediately and permanently suspect.

[0]https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2017/11/08/transgender...

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"most of modern society". No. Only to most people on Twitter. People IRL don't have the need nor the time to care about such subtleties.
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wait idgi, its not true though since "menopause aside" and women that dont menstruate.
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>but had a hefty implied message

There used to be a word for this as well; we called it "putting words in other people's mouth".

One can criticize aspects of a movement without being against the whole movement, or the people in the movement.

>one which is rightly considered offensive to most of modern society

What hubris.

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