πŸ‘€AndrewBissellπŸ•‘5yπŸ”Ό642πŸ—¨οΈ430

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I work in the travel industry as a programmer (god only knows for how much longer) - I can tell you that Sabre and other GDS's are only used if you go through a travel agent or use some online reservation systems. If you book through the airline's systems or on online reservation systems they likely use the airline's systems to track travel instead of GDS since the GDS wants to take a big cut of every ticket sale. And obviously only legacy travel companies like Hertz and Mariott integrate with GDS's, new travel companies Uber and Airbnb likely don't have any relationship with Sabre.

You're only likely to be in a Sabre system if you've been booked by your company through a travel agent and rent using legacy car/hotel companies also through your company's travel agent.

πŸ‘€skim_milkπŸ•‘5yπŸ”Ό0πŸ—¨οΈ0

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Pretty sure they've also got feeds on everyone's credit card purchases, emails of itineraries, text message confirmations, your phone homing and roaming (from the cell networks), from scores of apps that wanted your location squealing to whoever wants to buy it, from face rec at airports, etc etc.

Your travel is certainly no mystery to the state without this one airline feed.

πŸ‘€imglorpπŸ•‘5yπŸ”Ό0πŸ—¨οΈ0

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I am surprised that this is considered a secret anymore. If you travel anywhere and board a flight, stay a hotel or rent a car, you should assume that the government already knows about this. All companies have data sharing agreements with the government and judges are known to sign very broad data warrants that force companies to give data to governments for any suspicion of crime .

Basically today, everybody should assume that the government knows everything about you - where you live, where you work, what car you drive, where you travel, What property you own, lease , whom you call etc. Privacy exists in name only.

πŸ‘€downvoteme1πŸ•‘5yπŸ”Ό0πŸ—¨οΈ0

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They're also a target for APTs and foreign governments. Pretty much everyone wants to get their hand on travel data. Also fairly likely that other GDS such as Amadeus has similar issues. Speaking from personal experience, Sabre's code base is very outdated, and filled with tech debt and hacks. They haven't done a good job controlling bloat and many teams are skeleton crews that are consumed with ops and can barely fix bugs. I'm sure you don't need to "hack" anything.

Contrary to what some posters here seem to be saying, Sabre is very widely used in many parts of the travel industry.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/leemathews/2017/07/06/travel-gi...

πŸ‘€jorblumeseaπŸ•‘5yπŸ”Ό0πŸ—¨οΈ0

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Now swap FBI with China and HN would be calling for a full on ban. When its America, its just β€œhow is this interesting”
πŸ‘€vuyaniπŸ•‘5yπŸ”Ό0πŸ—¨οΈ0

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How is this interesting?

Any old school travel agent can look up names and follow their travel history anyway? (No matter how it is booked btw)

You could call one up and ask if X has got on the flight and they can check. I've done it before to check if I wanted to know the persons flight was delayed and made it to the airport on time.

πŸ‘€neximo64πŸ•‘5yπŸ”Ό0πŸ—¨οΈ0

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The travel industry (esp the airlines) are moving to puzzle piece style integrations -- I know that Hilton Uses Sabre for incoming GDS reservations, but, uses salesforce internally for managing a lot of the guest interactions (including bookings and customer support): AA (as mentioned previously in this thread) uses multiple commercial systems, and Marriott uses a mixture of FOSSE, MARSA (there might be an H in there, but, it's been a while since I've been at MI) that talk to their backend microservices for their .com system.

MI picked up a LOT of technical debt and a LOT of security bugs when transitioning SPG programs and properties into MI's portfolio (thankfully, I was off of that project at that point in time).

I don't think this is the case where the FBI or other conglomerates have direct SQL-style access into their systems, but, more-so where FBI has retired or plans internally to pull data from systems when requested: When it's hard as hell for employees with the proper need-to-know for their application to pull up data in a meaningful fashion, you know that it's next to impossible for Law Enforcement to have a nice little dashboard where they can just type "Ian Wilson" and get a list of every place I've ever stayed ever (unless they're working with VISA: that's something that I kinda expect, tho).

πŸ‘€imrootπŸ•‘5yπŸ”Ό0πŸ—¨οΈ0

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> No one really knows just how often or widely the government has used the All Writs Act to force companies into surveillance

Seeing how they used Sabre to prosecute a measly $5000 damage, we can surmise that they'll use this and similar systems for just about anything they can possibly be used for.

πŸ‘€classifiedπŸ•‘5yπŸ”Ό0πŸ—¨οΈ0

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What's interesting is that names on international flights are already checked directly against several watchlists. So apparently that tool isn't sufficient.
πŸ‘€drc500freeπŸ•‘5yπŸ”Ό0πŸ—¨οΈ0

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How far back does this data go? I'm hoping it gets deleted after ten years or so, but not optimistic.
πŸ‘€mixmastamykπŸ•‘5yπŸ”Ό0πŸ—¨οΈ0

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Interesting that the word 'secretly' is used in the title, after the fact, and not before it
πŸ‘€jermierπŸ•‘5yπŸ”Ό0πŸ—¨οΈ0

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Honestly I would have thought Sabre would have been streaming their data to TLAs since the 1960s.
πŸ‘€dborehamπŸ•‘5yπŸ”Ό0πŸ—¨οΈ0

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I wonder if Sabre's printers still catch on fire.
πŸ‘€criverosπŸ•‘5yπŸ”Ό0πŸ—¨οΈ0

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/secretly/obviously/
πŸ‘€andy_pppπŸ•‘5yπŸ”Ό0πŸ—¨οΈ0

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Meanwhile, most of the West has been very er, Critical, about anything coming in from China because they may be spying on us. Double standards?
πŸ‘€Cthulhu_πŸ•‘5yπŸ”Ό0πŸ—¨οΈ0

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The FBI is probably using all information sold to advertisers. The EU passed GDPR for security, not just privacy.
πŸ‘€crb002πŸ•‘5yπŸ”Ό0πŸ—¨οΈ0

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and what is wrong with that? it is FBI it saves lives.
πŸ‘€virologistπŸ•‘5yπŸ”Ό0πŸ—¨οΈ0

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https://search.edwardsnowden.com/docs/FullSpectrumCyberEffec...

see page 8.

GCHQ has a program called ROYALCONCIERGE, where they hack the reservation systems of hotels to watch for targets renting rooms. then GCHQ sends teams ahead of time to intercept the targets, preaumably to spy on them, or assassinate them or rendition them to a black site.

from another Snowden doc which i can no longer find, it was revealed that ROYAL CONCIERGE hacked hotels owned by Starwood, one of the biggest umbrella corps owning multiple global hotel chains.

you think NSA only went after Starwood hotels? remember NSA said their "Full Spectrum Domination" posture means "Collect It All."

you think if NSA/GCHQ are hacking into hotel reservation databases to exfiltrate the whole shebang, that Airline reservation systems are NOT a higher priority?

a commenter said it is ridiculous hypocracy how we blast China for forcing its tech companies to become appendages of their military/intelligence complex, while ignoring FBI/CIA/NSA do the very exact same thing under the rubric of NSLs and Bulk FISA Warrants and Business Records "All Tangible Things" and EO12333 get-out-of-jail-free cards to target anything loosely related to "understanding foreign intelligence."

there is zero difference between what China does and what the FVEYs do, except that our Overlords tell us they are not spying on us, while every peasant in China knows they are being spied on by their govt because the Chinese govt openly admits to it.

πŸ‘€justanotheranonπŸ•‘5yπŸ”Ό0πŸ—¨οΈ0

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National Security Letters basically turn any private database into a tool of the state: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_security_letter?wprov...

I'm not saying the US is as bad as China, but I roll my eyes when people talk about China forcing its companies to serve the interests of the state. Our government does it all the time and it doesn't require a warrant.

πŸ‘€01100011πŸ•‘5yπŸ”Ό0πŸ—¨οΈ0

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heeeyyeyyy Dunder Mifflin is a part of Sabre
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