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Great work by the author on accounting for the opex for roads, sidewalks, utilities, etc, but it doesn’t feel like a call to action for more density; it’s about local government having a spine and charging residents the necessary taxes to cover the costs of the services they’re being provided (for example, the taxes for residents in this example would only need to go up ~$25/month to break even on road/sidewalk/curb costs; I’ve had my taxes go up more than that just for storm water runoff improvements).

I’d even go so far to say that this should be a requirement for mortgage origination on a property (tax rate is sustainable wrt ongoing shared maintenance costs, documented it’s been communicated to the buyer at closing), as its in the lender’s interest in maintaining the value of the property. Very similar to HOA fees or FHA requirements of multi family units, and this would prevent local taxing authorities from low balling the tax rate and pushing the costs into the future. “Show me the incentives and I’ll show you the outcome.”

Don’t force people into highly dense housing, let them pay for sprawl if they want it and can afford it.

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> Don’t force people into highly dense housing, let them pay for sprawl if they want it and can afford it.

'Letting them pay' for sprawl implies that it is already priced in, which it is not. Rather, it's often opposite: A few years back back Strong Towns did a case study of their Growth Ponzi scheme hypothesis on a town in Louisiana and found that under the current tax regime, higher density poorer neighborhoods were actually subsidizing lower density and richer sprawl areas:

https://www.strongtowns.org/journal/2017/1/9/the-real-reason...

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The thing about sprawl is that by the time these roads and sidewalks need to be rebuilt the neighborhood will have likely transitioned to low income residents who the city can just ignore. The roads and sidewalks won't be maintained; certainly not to the original quality.

Of course, a major reason why the neighborhood will become low income is precisely because of the aging infrastructure. Middle income home buyers expect brand-new everything. It creates a cycle of sprawl. On the other hand, it does leave in its wake alot of affordable housing.

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I agree with you in principal, and actually this is a lot of what Strong Towns tries to suggest. The author is saying there are two rational responses: raise fees, or fill in more density to better utilize the infrastructure. Either one is fine.

I will say though, from having seen a lot of these projects, the examples this author gave are actually pretty low cost. I’ve seen examples where the density was lower, and even though the streets were lower quality, the “unpaid cost” per homeowner was in the thousands of dollars per year. It’s just a wide range depending on the circumstances.

The important thing is not that cities try to force anyone to a particular lifestyle, just that they do the math and balance their books.

Above and beyond that, there’s enormous opportunity for wealth creation in communities by adopting more of the traditional Main Street pattern for neighborhood development, and ST definitely encourages that for anyone who is interested / wants it. But it should definitely be voluntary. Strong Towns is generally opposed to zoning, parking restrictions, etc. which are forms of coercion that badly distort the market.

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Narrator: they can’t afford it.

That’s the problem with low density housing. If all externalities were accounted for, nobody would want it.

Oh and that includes paying taxes to the local city you’re commuting to for your job.

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