πŸ‘€sharkweekπŸ•‘3yπŸ”Ό150πŸ—¨οΈ224

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I’m not sure if there’s a formal name for this fallacy, but it’s pervasive in almost all financial reporting: the sticker price has nothing to do with the cost of materials; it’s driven only by how much people are willing to pay.

As a manufacturer, if the cost to produce something is higher than what customers are willing to pay, then you simply don’t sell it.

There are commodities where this doesn’t apply as much because there’s enough competition keeping downward pressure on the price so it floats just above the actual raw materials price, but other than that, this concept applies to most products.

πŸ‘€orevπŸ•‘3yπŸ”Ό0πŸ—¨οΈ0

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In college I would buy a can of Arizona Iced tea at the local drugstore and then walk over to the McDonalds and buy two Cheeseburgers for a dollar each. You can still-almost-do this over a decade later (a cheeseburger is usually over a dollar depending on the state).
πŸ‘€etempletonπŸ•‘3yπŸ”Ό0πŸ—¨οΈ0

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What's not as obvious is that the retailer is shouldering some of the burden of the margin cut. Unless they want to argue with customers, they have to sell it at 99 cents like it says on the can. So even though they'd rather sell it at a higher margin as they do with other cold drinks, they have to accept less in order to carry it at their store.

The only real alternative is not to stock it (or only stock the plastic bottle ones that don't have the price on the labeling). But if they do that, their customers might shop elsewhere next time. I'm guessing that Arizona knows this, and they want to hold onto this "retailer shares the reduced margin" advantage for as long as they can.

πŸ‘€bitshiftfacedπŸ•‘3yπŸ”Ό0πŸ—¨οΈ0

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I've been drinking Arizona tea since the 90s. Something they aren't saying they do, but I'm certain they are, is watering down the product. It's the beverage equivalent of shrinkflation. Their green tea in particular lacks flavor.

I kind of wish they would bite the bullet and make a can $1.99 and bring back the full flavor 90s version.

πŸ‘€mywittynameπŸ•‘3yπŸ”Ό0πŸ—¨οΈ0

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Their margins must have been very high to begin with. Your margins decreasing from 700% to 680% probably doesn't matter too much as long as you aren't strapped with corporate debt from trying to expand relentlessly year over year.
πŸ‘€izzydataπŸ•‘3yπŸ”Ό0πŸ—¨οΈ0

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I mean, it's mostly (cheap) sweetened water... They may take some small margin hits but keep or grow market share.
πŸ‘€mc32πŸ•‘3yπŸ”Ό0πŸ—¨οΈ0

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99 cents for a can of soda is pretty standard, and ultimately that is what this is. The real question should be – how did they get away with overpricing it for so long.
πŸ‘€paxysπŸ•‘3yπŸ”Ό0πŸ—¨οΈ0

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One of the primary target markets appears to be tweens and teenagers, judging by the soft drink buying patterns of my kids and their friends. 99 cents means a lot to them (still).

This brand offers frequent discounts ... I've seen them discounted to 75 cents at the local CVS, but that was during the early part of COVID when sales tanked.

πŸ‘€ilamontπŸ•‘3yπŸ”Ό0πŸ—¨οΈ0

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Why not? It used to cost 1 cent to make, now it maybe takes 2 or 3....they can afford it
πŸ‘€wly_cdgrπŸ•‘3yπŸ”Ό0πŸ—¨οΈ0

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That's nothing. Coca Cola was famously a nickel from it's first bottling until 1960. That was 70 years of inflation.

All because they had vending machines based on taking a nickel.

πŸ‘€HWR_14πŸ•‘3yπŸ”Ό0πŸ—¨οΈ0

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Just shows how massive the margin was before... Still cheaper than water is slightly interesting, but I guess the sugar might work as preservative...
πŸ‘€EkarosπŸ•‘3yπŸ”Ό0πŸ—¨οΈ0

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I like the statement and welcome it. Boundless expansion is pointless, isn't it? What I noticed is how package sizes go down, how ingredients change so it's taste is altered and so on... I just wonder how long we will keep doing that.

What happens when you sell more package and less of the actual product, so people need 3 cans instead of 1 for the same effect, but you just produced 2-3x the trash?

πŸ‘€mawadevπŸ•‘3yπŸ”Ό0πŸ—¨οΈ0

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This has been covered before in the context of how Coke was 5c for 75 years. I think there was a Planet Money episode on it.
πŸ‘€dborehamπŸ•‘3yπŸ”Ό0πŸ—¨οΈ0

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Last time I got a 99 cent arizona tea, there was some slimy chunks at the bottom. Maybe mold? That's probably why
πŸ‘€kylehotchkissπŸ•‘3yπŸ”Ό0πŸ—¨οΈ0

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The stores near me are phasing Arizona products out for higher priced competitors. I'm assuming they make a better profit off of identically sized $1.99 cans of Monster green tea.
πŸ‘€ortusduxπŸ•‘3yπŸ”Ό0πŸ—¨οΈ0

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I accidentally discovered how to make pretty great iced tea at home:

1) Boil water. Pour into cup with tea bag.

2) Walk away and totally forget all about the tea for a few hours.

3) Walk back into the kitchen for something else, realize you now have a glass of cold black liquid that is undrinkable.

4) Remove teabag and pour the black ooze into a liter container, fill with cold water and sugar to taste and maybe half a lemon from a nearby tree if you have one.

Made the most smooth, delicious iced tea I've ever had.

πŸ‘€russellbeattieπŸ•‘3yπŸ”Ό0πŸ—¨οΈ0

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I suspect the answer to this question lives deep in the supply chain in the form of sugar subsidies. Your taxes work to subsidize the production of overwhelming quantities of corn syrup. other flavours of iced tea like watermelon are sourced from GRAS (generally regarded as safe by the fda) aroma chemicals, similar to the ones in air fresheners. these are cheap to source and efficient to use.
πŸ‘€nimbiusπŸ•‘3yπŸ”Ό0πŸ—¨οΈ0

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Looking through the comments I'm surprised at how many people it seems are still able to buy them for 99 cents. I haven't seen one sell for the actual can price in years. To the point that it was already a joke in 2016 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fMUZ2sVjLfY).
πŸ‘€nakmachineπŸ•‘3yπŸ”Ό0πŸ—¨οΈ0

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Sweetened water? Probably contains some tea too? It should probably be cheaper than that and at the same time not even worth ingesting.
πŸ‘€onemoresoopπŸ•‘3yπŸ”Ό0πŸ—¨οΈ0

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MSRP is $0.99, however, retailers can set their own price [1].

[1]: https://drinkarizona.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/150000325...

πŸ‘€pvm3πŸ•‘3yπŸ”Ό0πŸ—¨οΈ0

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Usually food that doesn't change is not affected by price changes tends to be some of the worst and unhealthiest.

Arizona iced tea being a prime example. They should just call it diabetes in a can.

Others are the Mickey D's cheese burger or the taco bell tacos.

It's so tasty and addictive but so bad for you. I'm not surprised it still costs the same.

πŸ‘€racl101πŸ•‘3yπŸ”Ό0πŸ—¨οΈ0

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Sugar water is really really really cheap. It wouldn't surprise me if the total cost to produce a can of Arizona was under 5 cents, with a vast majority of that being the aluminum can. Management is just smart enough to accept making a little less margin in exchange for maintaining the brand.
πŸ‘€ramesh31πŸ•‘3yπŸ”Ό0πŸ—¨οΈ0

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Los Angeles Times should stick to reporting on their area’s inflation.

It’s 2.25 for a tall Arizona Ice Tea at 7-11, Malibu.

πŸ‘€egberts1πŸ•‘3yπŸ”Ό0πŸ—¨οΈ0

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β€œI don’t want to do what the bread guys and the gas guys and everybody else are doing,” Vultaggio said. β€œConsumers don’t need another price increase from a guy like me.”

Integrity like this is rare in the American business landscape. His successor most likely won't feel this way though.

πŸ‘€JohnWhighamπŸ•‘3yπŸ”Ό0πŸ—¨οΈ0

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It would be great if a journalist called up the company to ask so we don't all have to guess.
πŸ‘€tedunangstπŸ•‘3yπŸ”Ό0πŸ—¨οΈ0

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Their margins are sky high! Cost of water is less than 1c, flavor probably another 1c.
πŸ‘€antattackπŸ•‘3yπŸ”Ό0πŸ—¨οΈ0

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Because it is mostly water? And I don't think the price of water has changed much. Sure distribution costs have risen. But the cost of my soft drink hasn't changed much either
πŸ‘€chrismcbπŸ•‘3yπŸ”Ό0πŸ—¨οΈ0

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The Canadian cans used to be 99 cents too. They also used to be bigger. I haven't seen the 680ml Arizona cans in a while. Now I think they are 473ml.
πŸ‘€goosedragonsπŸ•‘3yπŸ”Ό0πŸ—¨οΈ0

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In a can and still usually cheaper than bottled water.
πŸ‘€monetusπŸ•‘3yπŸ”Ό0πŸ—¨οΈ0

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So, it was a highly overpriced hype brand back then?
πŸ‘€BorribleπŸ•‘3yπŸ”Ό0πŸ—¨οΈ0

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I thought the whole thing with soft drinks is that they cost basically nothing to make but we're all used to paying 1000x their value.
πŸ‘€raspyberrπŸ•‘3yπŸ”Ό0πŸ—¨οΈ0

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Prices are sticky and they're betting that their costs will come back down in the future. They don't want to hike prices, ruin their brand and market positioning, just to see things like aluminum prices come back to normal in 6 months and for customers to have moved on.

While other drinks may have hiked prices over the years, I haven't noticed spikes in the price of other soft-drinks over the past few months. Their costs are rising too. I think most companies don't want to alienate their fans over what they're hoping will be transitory cost increases. If Coke hikes prices and people start trying Pepsi, will they come back? If Arizona hikes prices, do they lose the "just a buck" cliff that makes them seem a lot cheaper than anything more than a dollar? Does $1.50 look a lot closer to $2.50 than $1 does to $2? Do people buy a $1.79 Snapple or $1.99 Gold Leaf if Arizona is $1.29 (even if it is still both cheaper and larger)?

Given that they're a private company and the owners are multi-billionaires, it seems reasonably wise to eat some margin over the short-term. It's not like they're struggling and it's not like they have lots of shareholders to appease on a quarter-by-quarter basis. I don't think people expect the cost of aluminum to stay at double long-term and if the Ukraine/Russia war ends, it seems like fuel prices will likely ease (and long-term it seems likely that Europe now has very strong incentive to reduce its dependence on Russian fuel). If costs remain high, they can re-evaluate this decision in 6-18 months while potentially missing out on a small amount of profits.

$43M in increased aluminum costs over a year doesn't seem that much compared to a $4B net worth - especially if you're still making money, just $43M less. If I were them, I'd weigh it out: raise prices and potentially damage the brand long-term and risk a good bit of what the family has built over decades; or keep prices steady, potentially lose out on profits that would make us 1-2% richer, and still be able to re-evaluate this decision in a year. If I had $4B, I'd much rather keep consumer sentiment thinking that I'm the small quirky outsider offering them great value.

πŸ‘€mdasenπŸ•‘3yπŸ”Ό0πŸ—¨οΈ0

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It's 1.29 now.
πŸ‘€slackfanπŸ•‘3yπŸ”Ό0πŸ—¨οΈ0

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It's not rocket science is it? They are either dilute or they hedge against commodity/inflation.

The cynic in me says this is just paid advertising for Arizona Iced Tea. Every time there is a hike in inflation, we get a story about the 99 cent iced tea. Or maybe they keep it at 99 cents for the free publicity.

I guess one could take an arizona tea from today and find one from 5 years ago and send it to the lab for easy analysis. But I'm too lazy for that and so is the journalist apparently.

πŸ‘€qiskitπŸ•‘3yπŸ”Ό0πŸ—¨οΈ0

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> AriZona has been committed to 99 cents since 1996, when it started printing the price directly on cans to stop retailers from raising prices on their own.

At some point between 2010 and now, shops in my area (southern Ontario, Canada) basically ditched following this.

I haven't paid $1.13 for a can of AriZona for years now...

πŸ‘€julianlamπŸ•‘3yπŸ”Ό0πŸ—¨οΈ0

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Cost of aluminum and flavored water, it’s not terribly expensive to produce.
πŸ‘€OvertonwindowπŸ•‘3yπŸ”Ό0πŸ—¨οΈ0

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Maybe they will start selling it as a loss? Gets people through the door
πŸ‘€Jamie9912πŸ•‘3yπŸ”Ό0πŸ—¨οΈ0

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Kind of ironic that its price in Poland is crazy high.
πŸ‘€RicoElectricoπŸ•‘3yπŸ”Ό0πŸ—¨οΈ0

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Becaused it is sugar and water!?!?
πŸ‘€Blackstone4πŸ•‘3yπŸ”Ό0πŸ—¨οΈ0

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Increase water to tea ratio
πŸ‘€m3kw9πŸ•‘3yπŸ”Ό0πŸ—¨οΈ0

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"Groceries are 8% higher than last year. Dollar stores: now dollar-and-a-quarter stores." - so, is it 8% or 25% ?
πŸ‘€janitor61πŸ•‘3yπŸ”Ό0πŸ—¨οΈ0