Ask HN:
"How to ask employer to match inflation rate, independent of pay rise"
Independent of raises based on things like role changes or good performance how can I stress that I really dislike the idea of not having my salary keep up with inflation, and then how can I best go about ensuring that my employer keeps the salary up to date with inflation?
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I got a raise at the end of last year, as I do ever year. When they told me what the raise was I immediately responded by saying "That's less than the rate of inflation, this is essentially a pay cut."
And when there was an opportunity to ask questions of the executives I asked "My raise, and I assume the raises of many of my co-workers, were less than the rate of inflation this year. Will you consider cost of living adjustments to our compensation?" The answer was usual business speak about paying competitive market-rate salaries and whatnot.
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Chances are your salary and potential raise was budgeted long before the inflation hit, so a non-merit raise of 5% is not in this year's budget. Unless you have a particularly benevolent organization with funds enough to raise salaries 5% across-the-board it is unlikely that you'll get it. Or, they'll give people cost of living increases, that will pull funds out of the merit raise pool, so no merit raises will be offered, or will be considerably less. They may justify it by saying that inflation hit them too, and everything the company needs to buy to operate got similarly more expensive, so there is no extra money to splash for 5% cost of living increases across the board, and that "we all need to take the hit in the best interest of the company."
And, more cynically, they're getting you 5% cheaper now, so there is not a ton of incentive for them to pay you more, since you'll probably stay, or are easy enough to replace at the same or lower salary.
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Having salaries automatically track inflation can actually lead to more inflation. When Australia had double digits inflation in the 1970's, one of the first things done to fix the problem was making sure salaries stop tracking inflation.
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You job-hop after 1.5-3y and end up getting a nice 15% or higher boost to your salary.
As a converse, when they replace you, they'll have to pay higher market rates. Thats because businesses do the same to employees as customers: the longer you stay the more they'll charge you (or the less they'll pay you). They do that because you're "captive". They count on you on being 'sticky' and not have the wherewithall to actually change.
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But, at the same time you have to do what's best for you and your family. Easiest thing is just to have a straight up conversation with your manager and see if you can get a timeline for a response and specific actions that will be taken in pursuit of this. Be prepared for "no", and be prepared to have to find a new job. In the vast majority of conversations I have with people on this topic, they have to find a new job to get a higher salary, unfortunately.
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How much more would you get paid by another employer? How much more would your current employer have to pay to backfill your role?
If you want to signal loyalty, phrase it as "I really like what I'm doing here but it's distracting to know that I may be giving up a XX%-YY% pay difference"
If your employer can actually fill your position without paying 20+% more or losing several months of ramp up, maybe you are being paid well regardless of the year over year CPI.
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Every year you stay, expect your compensation to drop further below the wider market. Then when you move it gets reset to some point vaguely correlated with the market.
It's also way easier to move than to fill out a "promotion packet" or whatever corporate nonsense is in the way of internal ladder climbing.
This obviously sucks. Management know it, engineering knows it. Maybe it'll stop being the case at some point.
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Second, it's bad to tie your raise to inflation because inflation is very real but very distributed. Here's the CPI for the USA: https://www.bls.gov/cpi/ Note that the change in March was far larger in energy than in food. Are you going to try to map your usage of goods to determine your personal rate of inflation and ask for that size of raise? I hope that sounds silly to you; it sure does to me.
If you want to ask for a raise, point to your productivity and dedication to the company, as well as what competitive comp looks like. Surveys are great for that.
Most employers want to be at market rate or above for employees they want to keep. Bringing in inflation just confuses the issue and makes it look like you want something for nothing.
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If you're making more than minimum wage, then the only thing setting your compensation is the job market. Not inflation, not how much a house costs in your city, and not the fact you just had 3 kids in 3 years
If you can find a job that will pay you much more, you probably already could have when inflation was 0%. So again, this has nothing to do with inflation. Are you looking to maximize your income? Interview interview interview, if you get better offers, bring them back to your company or just leave. If you don't get better offers, why would your company adjust your income by 5%? A 5% pay cut is great news for them and for you, if thats what the job market is saying is your fair pay
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So will you rather 2% raise and earn 5% on your savings or get 5% raise and earn 0% on your savings?
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Gone are the days wher you stay for 10+ years...Its move every 2-3 yers for career progression and salary increase. Of course if you're happy where you are then fine.
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RANT: No, that's a Scalar. Inflation is a vector. To accurately state inflation, you have to sample the prices of everything in a basket of goods, define the items in the basket, and never allow arbitrary substitution. I know of no such extant measure. Even then, the scalar produced is only accurate for that particular set of goods, and nothing else.
Thus actual inflation is unknowable, and all statements with a single number are propaganda. /RANT
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On the other hand if the raise you are asking for is above current market rate (which could easily trail behind inflation), you don't really have much options.
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If they give you 3% or something, say "so I'm getting a 2% pay cut" and tell your boss every couple days you're not happy with taking a pay cut. They'll figure it out
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Hi, [their name].
I love working for [company name], and I'm excited about the future of our team. As you know, we're a small group of passionate people who take pride in our work, and I'm grateful to be part of this family.
As you also know, inflation rates are rising, and it's becoming more difficult for me to keep up with my basic needs. I've been here for three years now, and I believe that my skills have grown considerably since joining the company. With this in mind, I'd like to ask that you consider matching the inflation rate moving forward, starting from next year.
I'm aware that you already gave us a raise this year. However, as you mentioned at the time, that raise was based on performance reviews and not pre-emptive of future rates. I understand that it's difficult for companies to predict economic trendsβbut as a small business, I think we can both agree that flexibility is one of our greatest strengths! Don't hesitate to let me know if there's anything else I can help with in terms of making the case for an increase.
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Organize a union in your workplace and prepare to take escalating collective actions to protect your standard of living and working conditions.
My coworkers and I have done it and would be happy to advise anyone in a similar position.
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Inflation directly affects what you spend money on. You can choose to spend on other things that donβt suffer as much from inflation, but that may not be easy. On the other hand, how much you save from your income and where you put that is a lot more (relatively speaking) in your control.
Employers will match salaries based on supply, demand and other factors affecting the business. Inflation could affect the supply and demand equation, but is not a direct factor for them to consider. Companies exist to maximize profits. That also means paying the minimum possible to a person and extracting the maximum value from that person. Changes will happen when this equation is under threat.
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You don't say what industry you're working on but I think it's a fair assumption you're probably an IT of some sort. If so the job market is wide open right now, and it's pretty wide open for any industry. Go find another job that will have the increase that you want.
Not all employers behave this way but it does take a while to find a good one. My employer adjusted salaries late last year outside of merit increases and I received a 6% bump and pay for among other things inflation and just the general pay scale adjustment because the industry has started to pay more due to things like inflation.