Most comments in this thread comments on the fact that Europeans are loosing their freedom do speed, and that they will not be able to drive fast.

But that's just the title of an Australian website.

In the article, and in the actual law, this is just about a *warning* to the driver, that can optionally be coupled with the cruise control, and that *can be overridden* by the driver.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intelligent_speed_assistance#I...

Basically all cars manufacturers today already have that technology. What this law means is that the car maker can no longer make this system an overpriced option when selling the car.

Back in the day, all Singaporean taxis used to be fitted (by law) with warning systems that went "ding, ding, ding" continuously if the car ever exceeded Singapore's top speed limit of 90 km/h. But even nanny state Singapore gave up on this, because it was just too annoying and pointless.

The one thing speed limiters would be good for is preventing extreme speeding, like this drunk dickhead who drove at 148 km/h on a small street with a limit of 50 km/h and killed 5 people including himself:

https://mothership.sg/2022/06/tanjong-pagar-crash-coroners-i...

Then again, the BMW in question had also been extensively and mostly illegally modded, so any sort of limiting system would almost certainly have been disabled in the process.

So all cars will be susceptible to "phantom braking" due to a bug or worse? I really dislike this, and living in the third world I can already imagine fake road signs being used to decelerate and rob cars.

The regulation in English: https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/HTML/?uri=CEL...

It's going to be like the auto start/stop button on new vehicles: you can turn it off, but it'll always be on whenever the car is turned on again.

> it shall be possible to switch off the system; information about the speed limit may still be provided, and intelligent speed assistance shall be in normal operation mode upon each activation of the vehicle master control switch;

To add, the same system will be required for AEB:

> 4. Advanced emergency braking systems and emergency lane-keeping systems shall meet the following requirements in particular:

> the systems shall be in normal operation mode upon each activation of the vehicle master control switch;

I object to driving any car with a built-in GPS or an internet connection, on basic privacy grounds. It amazes me how many advocacy groups and organizations [edit: and bicycle fans right here on HN!] are willing to completely demolish essential rights like privacy and freedom of movement, in the name of preventing speeding accidents.

A better idea would be to mandate black-boxes so if you do get pulled over there is no contest on whether or not you were speeding or made a full stop at the stop sign. You can use that as evidence and it can be used against you as well. This way, when I am driving on 85mph limited road under ideal conditions and little traffic I can pass other cars doing 100mph or more to get past the current pack and stay under 90 till the next pack. The right lane is for driving speed limit, left lanes are for driving past the limit while passing until you merge back on the right lane(s).

In Texas at least the speed limit is "whatever is safe" (you have to obey posted signs but you also have an obligation to drive faster or slower as safety demands it, as can be proven in court)

> When ISA detects the car is over the limit, it may induce visual and audible warnings, as well as haptic feedback through the steering wheel or throttle pedal, or it may begin accelerating the vehicle if no action is taken.

I sure hope they mean decelerate...

It won’t stop them from speeding.

“The ISA system is required to work with the driver and not to restrict his/her possibility to act in any moment during driving. The driver is always in control and can easily override the ISA system.”

https://road-safety-charter.ec.europa.eu/resources-knowledge...

At this rate, Europe will become 2nd world by the end of the century.

Instead of focusing on innovation and competition in the global market, Europeans are busy legislating their freedoms away.

"Just because something can be done with a computer does not mean it should be done."

- Richard Hamming

There are valid reasons for exceeding the speed limit

Every toy drone will refuse to fly into protected airspace. Theres no reason a car made in the past 10 years should be able to go 50 mph and beyond in a city.

I'd really like my car to automatically limit itself to a bit under the legal limit.

As it is, I find maintaining 40km/hr difficult, so I tend to engage the cruise control. But that's pretty painful. I'd much rather it just did it for me. It already shows the speed limit on the dash display, so it'd be pretty simple to hook that up to the cruise control.

And sure, it'd be good to have an override for when something's screwy (ie. roadwork, or the navigation maps are out of date, or whatever). But 99% of the time this would make my life better.

The worse thing is that car going according to a speed limit like 40-50km/h still can seriously injure or worse a pedestrian especially a child or elderly. Limiting the speed is one thing but adjusting road infrastructure in the cities to make it safer for pedestrians is a second thing-how many crosswalks I've seen that are barely visible- I don't even count. Surely everyone seen a local newspaper article at some point of pedestrian being killed but the driver was sober and wasn't speeding.

The governments will surely miss out on a lot of revenue if cars start preventing people from speeding.

Looks like the driver can disable the system, if the manufacturer allows. I'm sure popular "driver's cars" will offer this feature.

> While the law does recommend drivers be able to switch off ISA “when a driver experiences false warnings or inappropriate feedback as a result of inclement weather conditions, temporarily conflicting road markings in construction zones, or misleading, defective or missing road signs,” it doesn’t make it a requirement.

Compare with opt-out audio headphone notifications on iPhone, https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT211903

> Receive notifications that your volume should be turned down when you've reached the recommended 7-day audio exposure limit.

> Due to regulations and safety standards, headphone notifications can't be turned off in certain countries or regions.

Better explained here:

https://road-safety-charter.ec.europa.eu/resources-knowledge...

This is not a bad idea - but speed limits have not changed to reflect changing cars.

Speed limits are stuck at 100km in Australia and have been for decades - despite cars introducing anti-lock breaking, predictive breaking, anti-rollover technology, lane assist and so on.

Cars are now much much safer, and yet speed limits outside of cities have not changed to reflect this. If the government wants to introduce speed limiters on all cars, they also need to re-examine speed limits - especially outside of urban areas.

I've been worried about something like this ever since maps first started showing the speed limit on the road I was on. It feels like an inevitability.

For whatever reason this feels like an especially significant step on the path towards increasingly excessive control over individuals and it makes me very sad that it's finally happening.

Add it to the list of things I need to disable when I start my car:

- disable start-stop system (that shit is dangerous!)

- put it to sport mode

- and now: disable speeding alarm

It starts to feel like I'm starting a fighterjet with all those buttons before takeoff.

Good thing I still have my motorcycle :)

Their ideas of laws are hilarious as they are Kafkaesque.

Next, they will require a meter on your neck to charge you for air.

If I can't control a vehicle how I must outside of what's "permissible" because computers or artificial governors decide "what's best" for me when life and safety are at risk, then there's no way in hell I'm going to buy such a deathtrap. I can drive 140+ mph no problem in the right vehicle setup and maintained correctly under ideal, controlled conditions, but I absolutely don't trust ~95% of any else to.

I know enough computing power with LIDAR, optical cameras, thermal cameras, and MMWRADAR combined with specialized ML-CV can potentially (distant future) safely drive a vehicle faster than any human ever could, but we're nowhere near reliable, high-speed FSD.

They'll roll this back pretty quickly once it cuts into revenues

How well does this work in areas where almost every car is speeding? Especially since there would be a mix of older cars without the tech sharing the road.

If everyone's speeding, perhaps the limit isn't correct. Using 'AI' to forcibly counter societal norms is concerning.

Gonna be a nice aftermarket for mods to disable this garbage bullshit

Remember when the US went to 55 mph limit due to oil shortage?

I wonder sometimes if we live in extraordinarily tribal times

I hate this. If you want the car to drive itself, push for that. These flakey, half-way measures are the worst of both worlds.

There is absolutely no reason any road car should be able to (consistently) drive faster than ~150km/h

If only now we could agree on guns having mechanisms to deactivate in the hands of deranged individuals.

Not at all a subtle clue that the EU is rapidly speeding towards (pun very much intended) being a totalitarian socialist police state. On the other hand, one wonders how much support stuff like this will have in the US --- because at least it seems that we have the infamous Franklin quote and at least like to talk about our freedom a lot more...

"No one needs..."

And this is how the frog boils slowly. You have to push back when others try to decide what you need.

The same European countries have one lane roads where horse carriages and slow old oil burning cars and trucks cause long lines of other vehicles that desperately try to pass each other and the culprit of the delay without hitting incoming cars and trucks from the reverse lane next to them, in the dark with little markings. This game of chicken leads to big speeds, and lots and lots of death. Now imagine if you are speed restricted and the car you are trying to pass wants to drive the speed limit after they see they are getting passed. You are target for any incoming vehicle because you have to spend additional time in the dangerous opposing lane. The market for removing those devices will be lucrative.

After their introduction to the US markets I can see these vehicles in Texas having a near zero market share.

There are far too many long stretches of open highway with very light traffic that can easily handle speeds several tens of miles per hour over the posted speed limits. Locals and long-haulers routinely speed down these stretches, slowing down for the towns and then speeding up again once you are through.

This feature - allowing the car to manage vehicle speed, acting as a backseat driver will not only be annoying but will be a nonstarter for many people out here.

I personally will never knowingly buy a vehicle that could override any of my driving decisions in real time or that would nag me with automated messages. I am a trained practitioner of defensive driving techniques since one former employer required all drivers to take classes. I can use those skills to understand real-time highway conditions better than any pre-programmed algorithm ever will.

I don't need an algorithm to babysit me or to back seat drive for me.