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Love that you are linking to a piece of fiction, at literal dramatisation of events that almost likely never happened to illustrate a point that has no real foundation in fact. Every version of macOS that shipped with a CD had either PBX (Project Builder X) or Xcode, and the associated tooling, without forgetting that until recently, every Mac came pre-installed with Perl, Python and Ruby. I will concede that Objective-C is not AppleSoft Basic, but how useful is that now? And aren’t the previously listed languages a more powerful version in many ways? Also didn’t all Macs after 1986 come with HyperCard? I know NeXT machines all shipped with Project Builder.
My point, your link is, like your theory, fiction.
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Apple made a BASIC for the Mac. Microsoft killed it: https://www.folklore.org/StoryView.py?project=Macintosh&stor...
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> But was despised by Steve Jobs.
And then he went on to establish Next. Jobs is the reason OS X Is UNIX and is as open as it is.
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Up until the 1984 Macintosh every "home computer" came with a BASIC interpreter and could be programmed out of the box. It was quite a while before dev tools were out for the Mac (I think you were expected to use a Lisa to do development for the Mac) and people found it very hard to write GUI applications at first because it was different from anything anyone had ever seen before.
👤PaulHoule🕑2y🔼0🗨️0
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That's scary. This post illustrates where we're headed with 'facts' and 'fact checking'.
A false statement (Jobs despising programmability) being backed up by a media clip that shows a made up account of events (according to Woz) based on aforementioned false statement.
I grew
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A lot of small computers during the early days were seen as programmable things. Then it became a user interactive interface more than something to hack on. Maybe the shift of influence between Wozniak and Jobs explains that.
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>I'm just saying, the Apple II shipped with AppleSoft Basic. The Mac had no such language or built in compiler.
So? Apple II shipped in a date when you did a lot of stuff on your own. All home computers had some BASIC or similar built in.
In any case, OS X shipped with C/C++/XCode IDE and several scripting languages and shells, more powerful than Apple's II BASIC.
And XCode and all kinds of computers is an officially supported install away now too.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C_jug02JATc
I'm not saying that Steve Jobs wasn't successful, or wasn't a visionary, or didn't save Apple. I'm just saying, the Apple II shipped with AppleSoft Basic. The Mac had no such language or built in compiler.
I remember my friend back in college had an Apple IIc, and someone actually wrote a C compiler for it. He used it AFAIK all the way through college until the mid nineties, 12 years after it's original release date roughly in 1984.
What I miss about computers from this time is that the Apple IIc had a joystick port. When I was like 12 (1985ish) I discovered I could get a DB9 connector and got a CDs cell which acted like a light sensitive resistor. This allowed me to play games that needed only a X or Y axis movement just by hovering my hand over the sensor.
Edited to add:
To this day, I don't own an Apple computer. The mac's were just waaay too expensive. Around 1996/1997 after college, I enjoyed Unix style operating systems more than windows or mac, and promptly got a PC and ran linux on it when I got a full time job out of college. And linux back then installed a C compiler typically too!! Windows and mac did not.