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> And while at $0.078 a kilowatt, Phoenix's power isn't as cheap as Washington State, which is closer to $0.04 a kilowatt, but it's still competitive, Howard said.

JFC. Meanwhile, Hetzner charges 26 ct/kWh in Finland and 53 ct/kWh in Germany [1]. At these prices (and yes, I'm aware these also include the cooling costs) it's completely inexplicable to me how Germany can ever get actually competitive with US services.

[1] https://www.hetzner.com/de/colocation/

πŸ‘€mschuster91πŸ•‘2yπŸ”Ό0πŸ—¨οΈ0

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Easy. Nuclear.

Oh, wait … you’re telling me they just phased that out? :(

But yeah, as it turns out energy prices matter; it’s not just corporate overlords of the fuel companies spreading astroturf when people point out the still-high costs of using renewables. It matters to homes and cars and industry too, and when energy costs more, the nation will have less.

πŸ‘€sclarisseπŸ•‘2yπŸ”Ό0πŸ—¨οΈ0

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> it's completely inexplicable to me how Germany can ever get actually competitive with US services.

Speed of light and data governance laws.

πŸ‘€toomuchtodoπŸ•‘2yπŸ”Ό0πŸ—¨οΈ0

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I was planning on renting a 1/3 rack at Hetzner Finland, but power is cheaper in Bulgaria now (I'm in Bulgaria). Currently 19c/kwh for businesses and looking like it's coming down still (used to be closer to 10c I believe). It's also 80% nuclear/renewables, better than Finland, seems.

I have three Asus ESC8000 G3 with 8*3080 GPUs each. I have been hosting in the basement but looking at colocation or renting a space. Colocation pricing doesn't seem to favor power-hungry GPU servers though.

I have a source for cheap Asus ESC8000 G3 and cheap 3080 turbo cards, in case anyone needs to set up machines for ML inference, mail me.

πŸ‘€davidzweigπŸ•‘2yπŸ”Ό0πŸ—¨οΈ0

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You're comparing apples and oranges. The cost you're paying Hetzner is not just for the power they are buying from the electric company, but the cooling of that same number of watts as well as other building maintenance, networking, etc.
πŸ‘€yuliypπŸ•‘2yπŸ”Ό0πŸ—¨οΈ0

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Don't forget we have a huge energy crisis right now due to the cutting of Russian gas. It's not directly affecting electricity production but overall energy pricing is severely affected due to people switching away from gas.
πŸ‘€wkat4242πŸ•‘2yπŸ”Ό0πŸ—¨οΈ0

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I thought my 0.10Β’ /kWh was a bit pricey. Whew.

What was more shocking to me in that article was that google used 25% of Dallas's water supply.

Between power use and water use, while I appreciate teaching people to be mindful and responsible, I feel like caring slightly less about where I set my thermometer or if I have a long shower when our country's resources are being depleted by big tech and alfalfa shipments to China and almond harvests in California.

πŸ‘€unethical_banπŸ•‘2yπŸ”Ό0πŸ—¨οΈ0

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Also note that this is Hetzner, a cheap provider. I am paying 65ct in one of the big data centers in Frankfurt.
πŸ‘€nik736πŸ•‘2yπŸ”Ό0πŸ—¨οΈ0

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Why do you think Germany was so keen on getting more cheap Russian gas, and why the US was willing to do anything to stop it?
πŸ‘€miguelazoπŸ•‘2yπŸ”Ό0πŸ—¨οΈ0

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Increased regulatory burden for US companies, increased labour enforcement targeting foreign companies in general, and preferential treatment for DE/EU companies codified in law.
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