"The discount is bigger if you don't buy it." -- delete those Apps, so you don't pay them with your data or your $10/month.

Instead, call your parents, the people you care about, and get them to spend time with you. Send them postcards, and make them know you genuinely care.

Meta even lets you download Messenger without Facebook. The same is true for Whatsapp. Just use them for communication if you must. There's no reason why anybody needs social media on their phone or in their life.

The choice is not between privacy and a susbscription. The subscription does not include the right to be free from surveillance and data collection by Facebook. Further, there are more than two choices. A third choice is not to decide.

Yes, they will back down. It makes no sense to _block_ users simply because they will not consent to targeted ads.

Users who consent will get targeted ads. Users that do not consent will get non-targeted ads. Users who subscribe get fleeced.

Instead of the app try using FB without Javascript: https://mbasic.facebook.com

FB must have "growth" to keep Wall Street happy. _Blocking users_ is inconsistent with that objective. FB will back down but give it some time while they are forced to run this experiment.

New EU regulation is forcing Meta to offer users an ad-free alternative. That’s why they are doing this.

Meta’s revenue per user is around 40 USD iirc.

Tbf, as much as people like whining they definitely get 12 bucks a month worth of entertainment off of Facebook and Instagram. People will easily spend 4-6h on social media daily.

The reality is that this move will just prove that people like to talk but they are not willing to pay for their “freedom”.

I quit facebook, and voila' my privacy concerns are gone at once. I also quit whatsapp. I self host my email since years, so i don't have to use other people computers and let them read my emails. I also self host an xmpp server for chatting with my friends.

You know it seems to me that people spend a lot of time trying to solve a non existing problem, in this endless entropy.

Just let go, already.

Seems like a true consent based "Reject all" button is a critical danger to Facebook's business model since they are currently in violation of privacy rights in the EU after their last attempt at a legal basis was struck down.

They are basing this subscribe or ad based model on a non-binding comment in a judgement last spring. Should hopefully only be a matter of time until it is ruled illegal.

https://noyb.eu/en/meta-facebook-instagram-move-pay-your-rig...

Which country are you from? A family member in Lithuania has gotten this popup as well, but surprisingly it was asking for a whole €12.99/month instead of €9.99/month. Initially I had assumed it would be €9.99/mo everywhere, or at least cheaper in countries where people don't earn as much.

My question is will they still collate all that data. There is no point in charging us to just have our data harvested like Twitter is doing rn. I think they should make that clear, if so then it’s not the worst idea in the world because they make like 97% of their income from ads, so unless we’re willing to pay to use FB etc to stop it from happening.

Obv like I said will they still harvest and I think they will.

These tech companies are literally the product of their own demise. Most started with tons of VC money pouring in and operating at huge loses to attract large customer base. There customers got used to having things for free and now to change that mindset is going to ruin a lot of these companies product and force them to another platform.

The problem this time for tech industry is there's not a lot of VC money floating around to create new overvalued service's.

This kind of choice have been implemented by webedia since a while. Though at a lower price, 2€/month.

You can see it on https://jeuxvideo.com for example.

Some people were saying it’s not legal and it would go away quickly, but it’s still there and it might be legal.

I like this a lot if they really disable tracking and so on. To be fair, it’s what a lot if us asked for.

I wonder if a subscription will also mean they stop showing you "suggested posts" in your feed. Since they are too basically ads based on your data (and similarly irritating as ads)

For people that pay, do they still use their data - behaviour, pictures, interactions - to train so called ais? If so this needs addressing, facebook should pay them instead.

I know, I know, 'free rein' not 'free reign'.

Lots of discussion over here:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38068635

Does this cover the other meta properties as well?

With a paid product service shall be different.

Deleted my Facebook and Instagram accounts, I barely used them anyway and this was a good push to finally do it.

Honestly, at this point, I wish all established social media would just go to subscription models so the hands aren't tied by advertisers in terms of moderation. Itl greatly cut down on spam (the longer people stay on, the greater the cost of a ban is).

Tell HN:

I guess one can accept and at the end make a gdpr request to have their data removed