๐Ÿ‘คyapcguy๐Ÿ•‘12y๐Ÿ”ผ285๐Ÿ—จ๏ธ243

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I was trying to decide if this was appropriate to post to hn. It shocked the conscience to the extent that people I know who are involved in government/mil/etc were discussing how they would have responded; it is basically rape under color of law.

Even more amazingly, it wasn't one officer alone by the side of the road in an ambiguous circumstance; there was a judge, a DA, multiple officers from several departments, two medical facilities, etc involved.

A civil suit is inadequate; state or federal criminal investigations should be forthcoming. It is possible there is a reasonable explanation, but an investigation is the only way to determine that.

๐Ÿ‘คrdl๐Ÿ•‘12y๐Ÿ”ผ0๐Ÿ—จ๏ธ0

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I don't want to go too far, but according to Wikipedia's article on rape "the World Health Organization defined it in 2002 as 'physically forced or otherwise coerced penetration โ€“ even if slight โ€“ of the vulva or anus, using a penis, other body parts or an object'".

Is it a mistake to use that definition here? Obviously the local law is relevant in legal proceedings and I want to respect survivors of sexual assault, but what else do we call it?

๐Ÿ‘คspodek๐Ÿ•‘12y๐Ÿ”ผ0๐Ÿ—จ๏ธ0

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Rage. That is what I feel. I hope the town is bankrupted and the officers, doctors, and judge who contributed to this are all put behind bars, where, ideally, they'll get to experience what unwanted anal searching is like.

The police are totally out of control in this country. They are out of control because they are untouchable. That was the lasting legacy of the Rodney King acquittals: you can do what you want if you're a cop. You can beat a black man senseless for nothing. You can beat a homeless man to death with your fists. You can pepper spray, tackle, and beat peaceful protesters dancing in a public square. You can smash people's cameras who are trying to document your abuses. You can send SWAT teams to the home of the mayor of a small town, shoot the family dog dead, track the blood all over the house, put the family on their knees for hours with guns to their heads, and then when it turns out it was a mistake, leave, laughing and saying "you're lucky we didn't arrest you."

Almost certainly it will get much worse before it gets better. Armed with ever better surveillance, city police are going to get much more powerful. And power corrupts. I think we'll be hearing about a lot more of these kinds of abuses.

Eventually, 400M Americans are going wake up, realize that they've had enough, and effect real, lasting change.

๐Ÿ‘คjavajosh๐Ÿ•‘12y๐Ÿ”ผ0๐Ÿ—จ๏ธ0

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A number of people have commented that they are not surprised by the police actions in this case, because they are likely corrupt. I'm right there with you in most cases, but I simply can't wrap my head around what kind of outcome here would have made it worth all the trouble for the police involved?

After the SECOND probe (there were six total probes, two x-rays) I'd think most people would be convinced the guy wasn't hiding anything. Even if he was, we're not talking pounds of drugs here.

The police involved, and anyone that went along with SIX probes and two x-rays, and still were not sure this guy was innocent, are far beyond "corrupt", they are simply insane. Corruption generally comes with some kind of substantial payoff. What could that have been in this case? I'm really baffled by this, and scared. Only truly crazy people could allow this to happen, much less support it.

๐Ÿ‘คcwilson๐Ÿ•‘12y๐Ÿ”ผ0๐Ÿ—จ๏ธ0

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Oh, America.

I don't know what else to say really. This kind of reaction defies any form of rational discourse. As an outsider I'm kind of numb to it though. America, in my mind, has gone from a "cool" place that I learned about on television (Home Alone, Mickey Mouse Club, Terminator, NASA etc.) to this giant nanny state that has MASSIVE knee-jerk reactions to anything, e.g. putting warning labels on coffee, searching peoples assholes for drugs cause they clenched their buttcheeks, making air travel a ridiculously painful experience, etc.

๐Ÿ‘คlaichzeit0๐Ÿ•‘12y๐Ÿ”ผ0๐Ÿ—จ๏ธ0

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Words fail. The doctors are even trying to bill him for the procedure.
๐Ÿ‘คmoocowduckquack๐Ÿ•‘12y๐Ÿ”ผ0๐Ÿ—จ๏ธ0

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This reminds me of the women in Texas who had their vaginas and anuses searched after being stopped for littering.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/troopers-texas-prob...

at least one officer was charged with sexual assault.

๐Ÿ‘คwhyenot๐Ÿ•‘12y๐Ÿ”ผ0๐Ÿ—จ๏ธ0

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Suing is not enough. This sort of egregious behavior won't stop until people go to jail. The cops involved should be fired for cause - which means, they will never be hired by any other force in the USA.
๐Ÿ‘คpatrickg_zill๐Ÿ•‘12y๐Ÿ”ผ0๐Ÿ—จ๏ธ0

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The scary part about this is that this wasn't just a single rogue cop. Several physicians, nurses, a judge, a radiologist, and at least one police officer - any of whom could have put a stop to it - participated in a state-sanctioned rape and found nothing wrong with it.

"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing." - Edmund Burke

๐Ÿ‘คdownandout๐Ÿ•‘12y๐Ÿ”ผ0๐Ÿ—จ๏ธ0

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""We follow the law in every aspect and we follow policies and protocols that we have in place," Chief Gigante replied.

"Do you think those officers in this particular case did that?" Ramirez asked.

Gigante didn't answer, instead he referred Ramirez to his attorney."

๐Ÿ‘คbobbles๐Ÿ•‘12y๐Ÿ”ผ0๐Ÿ—จ๏ธ0

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This kind of behavior on the part of law enforcement will lead to destruction of public trust in the police. And that is a major step on the way to destruction of the American Empire because when Americans no longer trust their security forces, then nobody else in the world will trust Americans at all.

The medical clinic and the doctors who performed the procedures should all sue the police officers involved personally as well as the police department since they lied and they solicited the doctors to commit crimes. This kind of rogue police behavior needs to be severely punished in a very public way to send the message that "peace officers" are there to keep the peace, not to disturb it.

๐Ÿ‘คmemracom๐Ÿ•‘12y๐Ÿ”ผ0๐Ÿ—จ๏ธ0

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Why so many times?

Why wouldn't you just stop at the X-ray? Is there some method of hiding drugs that wouldn't be very obvious in an X-ray? Ignoring the morality entirely, did they actually gain anything from that? Was there someone who could of hid narcotics past the first 7 steps?

What's so powerful about this story is it doesn't seem to make sense. I want to know why. What on earth motivated anything beyond step 1? Step 1 was bad enough!

๐Ÿ‘คGhotiFish๐Ÿ•‘12y๐Ÿ”ผ0๐Ÿ—จ๏ธ0

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Holy fuck. Sue them for everything, I mean EVERYTHING.
๐Ÿ‘คhobs๐Ÿ•‘12y๐Ÿ”ผ0๐Ÿ—จ๏ธ0

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๐Ÿ‘คmolecule๐Ÿ•‘12y๐Ÿ”ผ0๐Ÿ—จ๏ธ0

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All involved will likely be promoted and cited for their courageous pursuit of justice.
๐Ÿ‘คjstalin๐Ÿ•‘12y๐Ÿ”ผ0๐Ÿ—จ๏ธ0

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    EVEN IF he did had drugs in there, this would still be not right to me. Aren't there more effective ways than this to combat drugs? Let it go. 
    IMO, everyone related to this case (besides the victim) should be fired, divorced and ostracized. Sounds like a DOJ case.
๐Ÿ‘คzequel๐Ÿ•‘12y๐Ÿ”ผ0๐Ÿ—จ๏ธ0

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We put people in jail for violating drug laws and it does seem to have some effect.

To bad it never occurs to prosecutors that we could encourage police and doctors to obey the law using the same means.

If this man was found with drugs he wouldn't have been offered better training or face a civil lawsuit. If we are willing to be tough on drug users, we should be as tough on people in authority when they break the law.

๐Ÿ‘คyetanotherphd๐Ÿ•‘12y๐Ÿ”ผ0๐Ÿ—จ๏ธ0

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Don't forget the part where they are making him pay for the hospital exam.
๐Ÿ‘คck2๐Ÿ•‘12y๐Ÿ”ผ0๐Ÿ—จ๏ธ0

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So this man had nothing to hide?
๐Ÿ‘คjustanother๐Ÿ•‘12y๐Ÿ”ผ0๐Ÿ—จ๏ธ0

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Thank god we live in a free country, where things like this can't happen!
๐Ÿ‘คalexeisadeski3๐Ÿ•‘12y๐Ÿ”ผ0๐Ÿ—จ๏ธ0

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This is the definition of a police state.
๐Ÿ‘คfetbaffe๐Ÿ•‘12y๐Ÿ”ผ0๐Ÿ—จ๏ธ0

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It's times like this that make me ever so thankful for a robust and free press.
๐Ÿ‘คsethbannon๐Ÿ•‘12y๐Ÿ”ผ0๐Ÿ—จ๏ธ0

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๐Ÿ‘คpcvarmint๐Ÿ•‘12y๐Ÿ”ผ0๐Ÿ—จ๏ธ0

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Just imagine how this would be going if they'd planted some drugs. (That might even be what these police learn from this affair: sneak some narcotics in after taking the vehicle to impound.)
๐Ÿ‘คGlyptodon๐Ÿ•‘12y๐Ÿ”ผ0๐Ÿ—จ๏ธ0

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It is not just about these cops, these doctors, or this judge. It is about institutional rot, a rot so wide and deep that to point it out will get you scorn and ridicule in most quarters.
๐Ÿ‘คwissler๐Ÿ•‘12y๐Ÿ”ผ0๐Ÿ—จ๏ธ0

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reddit is that way ->
๐Ÿ‘คzmonkeyz๐Ÿ•‘12y๐Ÿ”ผ0๐Ÿ—จ๏ธ0

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I realize that it's human nature to want to discuss disturbing things like this, and that hackers fall under the category of humans, but this is really off-topic for Hacker News.

There's no intellectual discourse to be had here; it's just the dissemination of fear.

๐Ÿ‘คrcfox๐Ÿ•‘12y๐Ÿ”ผ0๐Ÿ—จ๏ธ0