So I will go what appears Off-Topic but I think this is a pattern.

KDE 4.0 is release and KDE specifically says that they don't want Distros making packages for the .0 release. Distros do make packages because the community was excited to see it. Then a storm hits over what a 4.0 vs 3.99 release means.

PulseAudio comes out. Is stated that it is not a solid release yet and Distros please don't install. It gets installed and the whole community freaks out on PulseAudio.

KDE 4 and PulseAudio are SOLID and probably best of show in their categories now. BUT the community always will spread out hate (and even lies) to both projects because it wasn't solid on day one.

SystemD is considered bad because it is made by the same person that head up PulseAudio. That is enough for the community to never let go of the acceleration peddle on hate. SystemD got out of the trap that caught C# and Mono on Linux.

There is a reason why SystemD is on most systems. It is the best solution for the vast majority of people. I personally find it so much better then what was there before in practice and MUCH easier to understand.

>when I was younger I did not always stay technical in flamewars, but nowadays I am pretty good at that

I would have really hated to see him younger then.

These days every project he is involved with is pretty much a textbook case of how not to handle your community. If someone has a grievance with what you're doing, listen, explain why you don't care/can't do anything about it and let them feel like they had some impact on you. Instead there you have the "you're doing it wrong", "I'm more important than you", and "you're too stupid to understand how awesome this actually is" syndromes in full force everywhere.

Poettering and everyone who has anything to do with redhat expects users to thank him for shitting on them for free when Steve Jobs asks people to pay money for the privilege. If we wanted that we'd be paying Apple, we aren't because a long time ago we decided that certain thing were a lot more important to us than that. And he along with the people like him have decided that we need to be more like Apple for our own good.

I've got a simpler explanation for why the Gentoo community seems more hateful to Pottering than those of other distributions: Pottering has deliberately, openly designed software to break on Gentoo.

Linus should be less dickish, I agree with that much. But Pottering, when you deliberately break the software on other people's computers, I think they are justified in hating you.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8414859 …

> much worse for members of minorities, or people from different cultural backgrounds, in particular ones where losing face is a major issue

This is true, and a huge issue. Even being white, western, between 30 and 40, but female instead of male can expose you to huge amounts of abuse. It's a big problem for people who come from cultures where people making your mistakes personal is considered extremely aggressive and offensive.

Even in international organisations with experience in this sort of thing it can be delicate to work with different cultures and expectations. Open source communities have almost no sensitivity for this - people (Linus included) seem to operate under the assumption that they have the right to say anything they like with no responsibility for how people might be affected.

No one needs to censor themselves all the time, but you have to recognize that when you work with a team or a community you have to understand and respect the people you are talking to, especially if you hold a prominent position.

I think it's just a vocal minority.

It's hard to say that "closed source" even has a community, so of course it's easy to point out assholes in the open source community.

I find (about half the time) submitting an issue on just about any github project run by "professionals" is a good way to be met with hostile behavior. It makes me wonder if the same things happen behind closed doors at places like google, Apple, MS, etc. I read a report a few months back about how the general atmosphere at google was one of pretentious content for fellow employees.

Maybe the tech community needs to get off its high-horse as a whole, including Lennart, who isn't 100% not-guilty of ever being "rude".

What tech related ecosystem has a "friendly" community?

I'd say its not only Linux community, but pretty much any community that has communication based on the Internet what makes people behave much worse than they mostly do in their 'real life'. However, there are communities that do care about this problem a bit more than others - if you're not treated well by Linux guys, there are other free operating systems like FreeBSD, NetBSD, OpenBSD and DragonFlyBSD, their userbase is smaller, so they actually care about bringing new people in. Linux is not the only nor the best OS choice out there! ;)

As someone with no knowledge of the situation, can someone explain to me why the opinions brought up by a google search of his name are invalid?

>The Linux community is dominated by western, white, straight, males in their 30s and 40s these days. I perfectly fit in that pattern, and the rubbish they pour over me is awful.

Maybe you are the problem. I don't know a single OSS developer that is more hated than you. Ever wondered why this might be?

Coming from a controversial figure in the community and the dick behind Systemd. Was reading through it until I actually read the name.

Wow, fundraising a hitman. That is horrible.