adlwalrus

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(Replying to PARENT post)

I'unno, man. It's probably significantly lower than 99.99% of chrome users that stick with Google as their default search despite the first-run search engine selection dialog, but also likely not too much lower, either.

What's important is that they give the choice -- not just in a tucked away settings pane or whatever, but actually flash the question in the user's face in a meaningful way. If search engine monopolies are important enough to add "friction" to user interaction, then I'd say CA oligopolies are at least doubly so. The conflict of interest factor isn't present in the case of CAs, because, AFAIK google doesn't run any themselves (yet), but I think its still very important to give users the choice.

I also want to point out that Google runs all kinds of infrastructural nodes all up and down the internet's stack. They have no problem pioneering high-performance DNS to move the web forward, and they even are running their own fiber optic network, for crying out loud. They're huge on promoting IPv6 adoption, (mainly because it will remove any significant cap on the internet's (and thus their) growth). I think they can handle a few SSL notaries.

But security behind the scenes doesn't contribute to a palpably sexy image of the web in the masses' minds, so it doesn't really help google's bottom line enough for them to care. Kind of like how while their "speed" initiative complete with JSCDNs is terrible for privacy (third party resources sending referrers to Google upon fetching), it helps to make the web seem like a more serious platform in the subconscious minds of users by increasing performance.

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I don't think there's a need to discuss it as some kind of frightening black box that nobody's too sure about, either. As far as is known, I believe Chrome - Chromium == Branding, MP3 codecs, Pepperflash, Foxit PDF reading libs. With flash, they have some kind of special arrangement with Adobe; with the other three, it seems like it amounts to licensing bullshit that's keeping their hands tied.

There used to be that RLZ usage tracking thingy, but IIRC it got taken out. I'm sure there's other stuff like auto-update and usage statistics-gathering components added to the Chrome build as well.

If I missed anything, please do point it out.

By the way, my goal isn't to warm people up to the proprietary Chrome build. My point is more to make people feel less like they're missing out by ditching it for the freer Chromium.

It definitely has to be acknowledged that from a security perspective, it must be assumed that Chrome contains back doors and "innocently neglected" security vulnerabilities for big brother in all his various incarnations.

So use Chromium, damnit!

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This is a great point, and it illustrates the absurdity of many other laws as well.
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What's your concept for bringing down the GFW? I'm very interested. Perhaps I could even help you.
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Seems like this could be done with more respect for user/data sovereignty if done with Node.js. Essentially, you'd cat the file into the script, it would spin up an HTTP server, do some port knocking or whatever NAT-traversal-fu is necessary, then spit out a link with either your raw IP, or a preconfigured dynDNS domain name.

This way we aren't carelessly littering our data all over the "cloud".

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I wonder what building a Chromium version would entail. Do you think it would be a lot of work? I feel like it would have been done already if it were possible with the present extension APIs.
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Do you any reference links for this being Google's stance? If so, I'd really like to see them.

Thanks

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There are in fact a number of free solutions...

IIRC redshift was the most developed of them when I looked into it a while back.

http://alternativeto.net/software/f46lux/?license=opensource

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